[diversity] Community Plenary Presentation

We’re working on amending the text. 

Sasha

> On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:36, Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> When the TF asked for clarity on the remit of the Trusted Contacts, we were informed on the list that: 
> 
> "Yes, I would argue that there are examples where the trusted contacts
> together with the RIPE chair have taken actions successfully. Maybe we
> weren't so good at reporting back to the community (which of course
> would help with the perception part)."
> 
> and 
> 
> "As Trusted Contacts, our primary responsibility is confidentiality of the report to us.  Our training was as a "vertrouwenspersoon," although
> fortunately for me that was the only part of the training that took 
> place in Dutch.
> 
> This makes the production of reports somewhat difficult as above all we 
> do not want those who have reported an issue to us to feel they could be 
> identified through that report -- or that in future they do not report 
> an issue for fear of being identified (the simple act of writing down 
> the report is even something to consider).
> 
> We do report back to Hans Petter, and we are currently working on a 
> report but with the figures quite abstracted as a result.  If others 
> that have been involved in similar work elsewhere have examples of the 
> level of public report we could be producing, they would be welcome.  So 
> far, my suggestion is that it is no more detailed than something along 
> the lines of the following categories:
> 
>     - "In-meeting behaviour";
>     - "Behaviour at social events";
>     - "Mailing list behaviour"
> 
> The number of reports we do receive is, as that report will show, quite low. "
> 
> On 17/10/2019 15:33, Sasha Romijn wrote:
>> I am definitely confused, because the text as written in the notes is precisely how I heard it multiple times from at least one of the other trusted contacts.
>> 
>> Sasha
>> 
>> On 17 Oct 2019, at 15:29, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mirjam,
>>> 
>>> Ok, so, then there is confusion, and, if you could help, what can they do?
>>> 
>>> I can edit and re-upload.
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> 
>>> Brian Nisbet,
>>> Service Operations Manager, HEAnet
>>> From: Mirjam Kuehne <mir at ripe.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 3:22:58 PM
>>> To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>; diversity at ripe.net <diversity at ripe.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [diversity] Community Plenary Presentation
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> On slides 5 in the speaker notes (which I assume will be published?) it
>>> says:
>>> 
>>> ""Trusted contacts will emotionally support you, but absolutely can not
>>> take any other action. Effectively, our CoC creates a false sense of
>>> security. So our community’s current status is: if you get severely
>>> harassed at the party, which is a thing that happens, we can say how
>>> sorry we are for you, and tomorrow and next year your assailant will be
>>> sitting next to you. There is a CoC, but there is no accountability or
>>> consequences.”"
>>> 
>>> This is not true and as I pointed out earlier on this list the Trusted
>>> contacts (and the RIPE Chair) have taken action in the past. I agree
>>> that the responsibilities of the Trusted Contacts may not be well
>>> understood or documented, but stating it like in the text above is wrong.
>>> 
>>> Mirjam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 17/10/2019 14:58, Brian Nisbet wrote:
>>> > Folks,
>>> > 
>>> > Amanda, Denesh, Sasha and I have put this presentation together for the community plenary this afternoon. It is forthright, but we definitely feel that it needs to be so.
>>> > 
>>> > We are going to make it clear that we're still accepting comments on v3.0, but also still looking at having this in place for RIPE 80 if at all possible.
>>> > 
>>> > I know I and others present in Rotterdam have got some really good further feedback.
>>> > 
>>> > And, of course, as with all things, whatever CoC we have is never set in stone, it's always changeable as situations change.
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks for everyone's input on this so far!
>>> > 
>>> > Brian
>>> > 
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