[anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 146, Issue 10

It has been a while that I was in LEA, but I remember this same complaint from the 00s. A LEA-RIPE NCC working group was started circa 2008 and that led to a lot better understanding of each others competences and information that could be shared. Like myself, all these people are now in other positions. So, without me knowing what is asked by whom, a renewed effort could be the answer.

@Michele @Serge. Yes, at times I hear exasperation from law makers as well. The fact that this very WG is discussing its future remit, if there is one at all, may well be one of the causes of this exasperation. Self-regulation does mean just that. It should not equate inactivity. The alternative is regulation. In more and more stages of society in general, this is becoming the case. The Internet already is and will not be an exception. There's still a chance to self-regulate.

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Suresh

The devil is in the details?.

Michele

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LEA especially the computer crime part of LEA has been dealing with RIRs for some decades now?

The specifics of this case would be interesting.

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Serge



The report speaks about French LEA asking RIPE for data that RIPE does not have.



You then go off on some complete tangent about governments not being satisfied with tech companies.



How are the two related?



What purpose does asking RIPE (or anyone else) for data they simply do not have serve?



A much more rational explanation is that LEA simply do not understand what data RIPE (or others) have and that maybe the solution is to educate them.



I have heard from some in LEA that the amount of engagement from RIPE, ICANN etc., in the past couple of years has reduced, though that?s purely anecdotal.



Regards



Michele



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Serge

As I said, it?s an odd attempt at making a point, if that?s what it is.

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From: Serge Droz <serge.droz at first.org>
Date: Wednesday, 10 April 2024 at 10:38
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Hi Michele

As I said: They may make a point. Maybe they don't understand what RIPS
dies. But that's an assumption, and the tech community tends to
underrate authorities, so don't count on it.

Best
Serge

On 10.04.24 11:32, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Serge
>
> The report speaks about French LEA asking RIPE for data that RIPE does
> not have.
>
> You then go off on some complete tangent about governments not being
> satisfied with tech companies.
>
> How are the two related?
>
> What purpose does asking RIPE (or anyone else) for data they simply do
> not have serve?
>
> A much more rational explanation is that LEA simply do not understand
> what data RIPE (or others) have and that maybe the solution is to
> educate them.
>
> I have heard from some in LEA that the amount of engagement from RIPE,
> ICANN etc., in the past couple of years has reduced, though that?s
> purely anecdotal.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>
> https://www.blacknight.com/ <https://www.blacknight.com/>
>
> https://blacknight.blog/ <https://blacknight.blog/>
>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
>
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>
> Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ <https://michele.blog/>
>
> Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ <https://ceo.hosting/>
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
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