[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending 
steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational 
costs would go through the roof tho lol.


On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times 
> we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully 
> applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist just 
> a few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous 
> censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'
>
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can 
>> think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. 
>> you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the 
>> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for 
>> inappropriate language.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> @Sven Olaf:
>>> Please stop using this type of offensive language!
>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and 
>>> attack in the way you are at the moment.
>>>
>>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down!
>>>
>>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of 
>>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!
>>>
>>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ​RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair
>>>
>>>
>>> ​
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von 
>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit
>>>     carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be
>>>     used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
>>>     combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
>>>     their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need for
>>>     ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8
>>>     <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
>>>     there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far
>>>     they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure'
>>>     to breach contracts. so just split up those operations.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they
>>>>     arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
>>>>     can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is.
>>>>     nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>>>>>
>>>>>     'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is
>>>>>     used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact
>>>>>     it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.
>>>>>
>>>>>     'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old
>>>>>     services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should
>>>>>     get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay.
>>>>>     it's windows itself that is the malware there...
>>>>>
>>>>>     'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks
>>>>>     balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top
>>>>>     secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in every
>>>>>     restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own crap
>>>>>     and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't have
>>>>>     time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.
>>>>>
>>>>>     'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'..
>>>>>     - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>     and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is
>>>>>     doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
>>>>>     other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the
>>>>>     sales department of the transit carriers of their supplier of
>>>>>     their supplier of their supplier, will only make them change
>>>>>     isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>     so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>>>>>
>>>>>     - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
>>>>>     ranges.
>>>>>
>>>>>     - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>>>>>
>>>>>     - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>>>>>
>>>>>     - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip
>>>>>     addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in
>>>>>     the world, no wonder!)
>>>>>
>>>>>     so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp.
>>>>>     congratulations.
>>>>>
>>>>>     everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and
>>>>>     do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
>>>>>     microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done.
>>>>>
>>>>>     if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users
>>>>>     left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol)
>>>>>     or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>     none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks...
>>>>>     because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port
>>>>>     25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit-
>>>>>     (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our
>>>>>     problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause
>>>>>     'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable
>>>>>     markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv
>>>>>     station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>>>>>
>>>>>     where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros
>>>>>     per month per server would come from, i don't know, i
>>>>>     certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k
>>>>>     once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like
>>>>>     child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
>>>>>     issue at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>     our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling
>>>>>     over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn
>>>>>     copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture there.
>>>>>     shit that -is- worth the trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>>     now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your
>>>>>     crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate-
>>>>>     from our networks in the first fucking place, and stick it
>>>>>     where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is
>>>>>     the malware there... it facilitates all the programs residing
>>>>>     on top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff
>>>>>     crap. so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the
>>>>>     bugs they all exploit, or call the european commission and
>>>>>     impose trade bans against microsoft. simple enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of
>>>>>>     any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals,
>>>>>>     cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption
>>>>>>     technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc is
>>>>>>     subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is
>>>>>>     none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
>>>>>>     spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'.
>>>>>>     even if they think they should be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering
>>>>>>     'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their
>>>>>>     own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose
>>>>>>     not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers that
>>>>>>     way. they have a customs department to keep said products
>>>>>>     outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell or
>>>>>>     advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like
>>>>>>     'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they
>>>>>>     would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
>>>>>>     geo-political wise and business wise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect
>>>>>>     all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
>>>>>>     thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the
>>>>>>     entire internet through means of blackmail and calling people
>>>>>>     'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     what also works, besides blackmailing with committing
>>>>>>     computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers
>>>>>>     of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, are:
>>>>>>     assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. etc...
>>>>>>     all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask
>>>>>>     me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is
>>>>>>     an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block
>>>>>>     anything' as they themselves always say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>>>>     CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent
>>>>>>>         servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we
>>>>>>>         happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
>>>>>>>         magically never lists -that-.. just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the
>>>>>>>     listing works!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     esa
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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