[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

also may we remind steve linford that as he pretends to be a 'company' 
(just one without a trade register entry and office in switserland), 
sending him unsollicited mail with any random content, would be 
-perfectly- legal in pretty much all of the eu memberstates... if he 
doesn't like that FACT, he should go into politics, not into 
blackmailing. lol.


On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:09, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending 
> steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational 
> costs would go through the roof tho lol.
>
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times 
>> we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully 
>> applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist 
>> just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous 
>> censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'
>>
>>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>>
>>> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can 
>>> think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. 
>>> you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the 
>>> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for 
>>> inappropriate language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> @Sven Olaf:
>>>> Please stop using this type of offensive language!
>>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and 
>>>> attack in the way you are at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down!
>>>>
>>>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of 
>>>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tobias
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ​RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von 
>>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit
>>>>     carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be
>>>>     used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
>>>>     combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
>>>>     their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need
>>>>     for ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8
>>>>     <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
>>>>     there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far
>>>>     they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure'
>>>>     to breach contracts. so just split up those operations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they
>>>>>     arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
>>>>>     can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is.
>>>>>     nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way
>>>>>>     is used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in
>>>>>>     fact it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old
>>>>>>     services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should
>>>>>>     get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay.
>>>>>>     it's windows itself that is the malware there...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure
>>>>>>     sucks balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3
>>>>>>     top secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in
>>>>>>     every restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own
>>>>>>     crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't
>>>>>>     have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'..
>>>>>>     - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else
>>>>>>     is doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of
>>>>>>     the other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing
>>>>>>     the sales department of the transit carriers of their
>>>>>>     supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only make
>>>>>>     them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup
>>>>>>     fees), etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
>>>>>>     ranges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip
>>>>>>     addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in
>>>>>>     the world, no wonder!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp.
>>>>>>     congratulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and
>>>>>>     do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
>>>>>>     microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no
>>>>>>     users left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists
>>>>>>     (lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks...
>>>>>>     because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port
>>>>>>     25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit-
>>>>>>     (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our
>>>>>>     problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause
>>>>>>     'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable
>>>>>>     markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv
>>>>>>     station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros
>>>>>>     per month per server would come from, i don't know, i
>>>>>>     certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k
>>>>>>     once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like
>>>>>>     child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
>>>>>>     issue at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling
>>>>>>     over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn
>>>>>>     copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture
>>>>>>     there. shit that -is- worth the trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your
>>>>>>     crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even
>>>>>>     -originate- from our networks in the first fucking place, and
>>>>>>     stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware...
>>>>>>     windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the
>>>>>>     programs residing on top of the same old 1990s badly
>>>>>>     implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft
>>>>>>     and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the
>>>>>>     european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft.
>>>>>>     simple enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of
>>>>>>>     any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals,
>>>>>>>     cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption
>>>>>>>     technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc
>>>>>>>     is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is
>>>>>>>     none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
>>>>>>>     spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'.
>>>>>>>     even if they think they should be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering
>>>>>>>     'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of
>>>>>>>     their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others
>>>>>>>     choose not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers
>>>>>>>     that way. they have a customs department to keep said
>>>>>>>     products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell
>>>>>>>     or advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like
>>>>>>>     'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they
>>>>>>>     would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
>>>>>>>     geo-political wise and business wise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect
>>>>>>>     all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
>>>>>>>     thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the
>>>>>>>     entire internet through means of blackmail and calling
>>>>>>>     people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     what also works, besides blackmailing with committing
>>>>>>>     computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers
>>>>>>>     of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website,
>>>>>>>     are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange.
>>>>>>>     etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if
>>>>>>>     you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all
>>>>>>>     bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't
>>>>>>>     block anything' as they themselves always say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>>>>>     CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent
>>>>>>>>         servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we
>>>>>>>>         happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus
>>>>>>>>         somehow magically never lists -that-.. just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the
>>>>>>>>     listing works!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     esa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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