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<p>one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all
sending steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back.
operational costs would go through the roof tho lol.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many
times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's
fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this
mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of
their cancerous censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince
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<p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you
can think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right.
lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford
told the 'world press' about our operations in the past. so
far for inappropriate language.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop using
this type of offensive language!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in
the way you are at the moment.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for a
minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel
you can send a message without using this type of
language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM,
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p>btw it would be of great assistance in this
matter if transit carriers, simply, only HAD asn's
and no ip prefixes that can be used as a
blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit
providing' part of their operations. parties that
provide transit, have no need for ip space (bgp
sessions are better on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://10.0.0.0/8" target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a>
anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if there
are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus
(so far they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to
'build up pressure' to breach contracts. so just
split up those operations.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
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<p>customer wants to send packets from ip A to
ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did
our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
can't quite see why we would even need to
know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other
obscure shit protocols out there.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
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<p>content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.</p>
<p>'making more use of a mail protocol that
in every other way is used as intended' is
also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact
it's not abuse at all. it's like tv
advertisements.</p>
<p>'malware and virusses' all simply exploit
the same old services 'provided' by crappy
windows malware, which should get some
import restrictions, and the problem is
solved ay. it's windows itself that is the
malware there... <br>
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<p>'phishing'... so you're saying your bank
login procedure sucks balls and/or you
think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top
secret ones on the back of a plastic card
people show in every restaurant they go to
are 'security' - go fix your own crap and
stop bothering us, we forward -packets-.
we don't have time to hunt ghosts for your
broken financial services.<br>
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<p>'announcing the whole god damn internet
split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's
'abuse'. lol.</p>
<p>and either way... if someone doesn't like
what someone else is doing they can take
them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
other party) and try to get them to
stop... blackmailing the sales department
of the transit carriers of their supplier
of their supplier of their supplier, will
only make them change isps, cause
financial loss (or gains: setup fees),
etc.</p>
<p>so far all spamhaus has ever established
is:</p>
<p>- a whole lot of
unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4
'burned' ranges.</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
bashing on open relays)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer real time
(graylisting)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over
20 million ip addresses listed despite
there only being 300k mailservers in the
world, no wonder!)</p>
<p>so instead of stopping spam, they managed
to kill of smtp. congratulations.</p>
<p>everyone now uses skype and facebook
(which are real-time and do have
friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded
in bringing microsoft and facebook users
to spy on. well done.<br>
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<p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
because it has no users left. people only
start it up to read ripe mailinglists
(lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT.
lol.</p>
<p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE
from our networks... because... ever since
2004... we have simply blocked port 25...
smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers
shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about
shit that is not our problem). we sure as
hell have some customers that cause 'shit'
but they usually do it in somewhat more
profitable markets than sending 'spam' and
most definately can buy a tv station or 2
to do their advertisements on. tyvm
spamhaus. lol.</p>
<p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay
our 1000-1500 euros per month per server
would come from, i don't know, i certainly
have never met any... i tried to invoice
one 60k once and he backed off already.
poor spammers. they're like child porn
people. can't pay for anything, so not an
urgent issue at all.</p>
<p>our customers frequently have the entire
fucking cia rolling over their doorstep
and if it's not them its the god damn
copyright mafia. slightly different
budgetarial picture there. shit that -is-
worth the trouble.<br>
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<p>now, please take your shitty nagging
about 'abuse' of your crappy silly old
smtp protocol, which doesn't even
-originate- from our networks in the first
fucking place, and stick it where the sun
doesn't shine... as for malware... windows
is the malware there... it facilitates all
the programs residing on top of the same
old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff
crap. so basically call mickeysoft and ask
them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or
call the european commission and impose
trade bans against microsoft. simple
enough.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
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<p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
trafficing services, specific animals,
cocain, data obtained through espionage,
encryption technology, vpns, gay
propaganda, military propaganda, etc is
subject to applicable local law (if any,
and if there is none, it's perfectly
fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the
internet government'. even if they think
they should be.</p>
<p>if the uk wants to keep certain
products from entering 'their' territory
(and in doing so limit the freedom of
their own stakeholders/tax payers) that
is up to them others choose not to work
against their own stakeholders/tax
payers that way. they have a customs
department to keep said products
outside. can't tell others not to
produce or sell or advertise it. setting
up dirty front operations like
'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the
illusion that they would be 'fighting
spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
geo-political wise and business wise.<br>
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<p>now... in thailand porn is illegal...
so... let's disconnect all porn sites
because thailand wants us to, oh but
wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus'
thinking they rule the entire internet
through means of blackmail and calling
people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.</p>
<p>what also works, besides blackmailing
with committing computer sabotage
against the sales department of
suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of
the publisher of a website, are:
assassins, commandos, carpet bombing,
agent orange. etc... all of which should
be deployed against spamhaus if you ask
me. :P but a nullroute would suffice.
lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' to
'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block
anything' as they themselves always say.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen
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at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von CyberBunker <<a
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<p
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it's quite vague that when
some mossadis rent servers and
run an espionage botnet on it
(which we happily intercept
ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus
somehow magically never lists
-that-.. just</p>
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<div>Looking at the amusing rant of
Sven Olaf, it seems that the
listing works!</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work, spamhaus
et al!</div>
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