[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times we 
want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully 
applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist just a 
few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous censorship 
tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'


On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can think 
> of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. you're free 
> to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the 'world press' 
> about our operations in the past. so far for inappropriate language.
>
>
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> @Sven Olaf:
>> Please stop using this type of offensive language!
>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and 
>> attack in the way you are at the moment.
>>
>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down!
>>
>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of 
>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!
>>
>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tobias
>>
>> -- 
>> ​RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair
>>
>>
>> ​
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker 
>> <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>
>>     btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit
>>     carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be
>>     used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
>>     combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
>>     their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need for
>>     ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8
>>     <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
>>     there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far
>>     they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to
>>     breach contracts. so just split up those operations.
>>
>>
>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>>
>>>     customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they
>>>     arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
>>>     can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is.
>>>     nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>>>>
>>>>     'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is
>>>>     used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact
>>>>     it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.
>>>>
>>>>     'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services
>>>>     'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should get some
>>>>     import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. it's windows
>>>>     itself that is the malware there...
>>>>
>>>>     'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks
>>>>     balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret
>>>>     ones on the back of a plastic card people show in every
>>>>     restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own crap and
>>>>     stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't have time to
>>>>     hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.
>>>>
>>>>     'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. -
>>>>     yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.
>>>>
>>>>     and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is
>>>>     doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
>>>>     other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the
>>>>     sales department of the transit carriers of their supplier of
>>>>     their supplier of their supplier, will only make them change
>>>>     isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc.
>>>>
>>>>     so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>>>>
>>>>     - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
>>>>     ranges.
>>>>
>>>>     - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>>>>
>>>>     - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>>>>
>>>>     - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses
>>>>     listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world,
>>>>     no wonder!)
>>>>
>>>>     so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp.
>>>>     congratulations.
>>>>
>>>>     everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and
>>>>     do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
>>>>     microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done.
>>>>
>>>>     if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users
>>>>     left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol)
>>>>     or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>>>>
>>>>     none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks...
>>>>     because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25...
>>>>     smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and
>>>>     'legal' threats about shit that is not our problem). we sure as
>>>>     hell have some customers that cause 'shit' but they usually do
>>>>     it in somewhat more profitable markets than sending 'spam' and
>>>>     most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to do their
>>>>     advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>>>>
>>>>     where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros
>>>>     per month per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly
>>>>     have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k once and he
>>>>     backed off already. poor spammers. they're like child porn
>>>>     people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent issue at all.
>>>>
>>>>     our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling
>>>>     over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn
>>>>     copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture there.
>>>>     shit that -is- worth the trouble.
>>>>
>>>>     now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your
>>>>     crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate-
>>>>     from our networks in the first fucking place, and stick it
>>>>     where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is the
>>>>     malware there... it facilitates all the programs residing on
>>>>     top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap.
>>>>     so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the bugs they
>>>>     all exploit, or call the european commission and impose trade
>>>>     bans against microsoft. simple enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of
>>>>>     any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain,
>>>>>     data obtained through espionage, encryption technology, vpns,
>>>>>     gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc is subject to
>>>>>     applicable local law (if any, and if there is none, it's
>>>>>     perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not
>>>>>     supposed to be 'the internet government'. even if they think
>>>>>     they should be.
>>>>>
>>>>>     if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their'
>>>>>     territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own
>>>>>     stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose not
>>>>>     to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers that way.
>>>>>     they have a customs department to keep said products outside.
>>>>>     can't tell others not to produce or sell or advertise it.
>>>>>     setting up dirty front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure
>>>>>     naive nerds into the illusion that they would be 'fighting
>>>>>     spam' is a very nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and
>>>>>     business wise.
>>>>>
>>>>>     now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect
>>>>>     all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
>>>>>     thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the
>>>>>     entire internet through means of blackmail and calling people
>>>>>     'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>>>>>
>>>>>     what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer
>>>>>     sabotage against the sales department of suppliers of
>>>>>     suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, are:
>>>>>     assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all
>>>>>     of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask me. :P
>>>>>     but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an
>>>>>     'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block anything'
>>>>>     as they themselves always say.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>>>     CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent
>>>>>>         servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we
>>>>>>         happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
>>>>>>         magically never lists -that-.. just
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the
>>>>>>     listing works!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     esa
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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