[ripe-list] Russia

> On 15 Aug 2022, at 09:03, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
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> Yes, and as I think I've already made plain, I don't care about the official
> response of RIPE.

In that case, take your whines somewhere else. This list is for general discussion about RIPE matters. But since you don't care about that, you're clearly posting to the wrong place. And since you don't care about RIPE (NCC)'s response, you've no reason to expect anyone here to care about what you have to say.

> You really just aren't getting this are you?

No, it's you who really isn't getting this. For starters, you don't seem to understand the difference between RIPE and RIPE NCC. Or how to get "policy" changed in these two fora. For RIPE, submit a policy proposal and put it through the PDP. For the NCC, members can ask for agenda time and/or propose a resolution at the AGM. Second, invoking Godwin's law or "won't anyone think of the children?" rhetoric is unhelpful. That usually means the proponent has lost the debate and can't make a reasoned case for their PoV. Third, you've given no indication why RIPE (NCC)'s stance is unsatisfactory or what could be done to make it better. For some definition of better.

If you have *constructive* proposals on what RIPE or the NCC could do in addition to the current sanctions, please make them. RIPE's PDP is open to everyone. The NCC's members are free to propose resolutions at the *GMs. Start with a clear problem statement and then show how your proposal(s) will fix it.

IMO it's highly unlikely that a bunch of Internet geeks wagging their finger at Mr. Putin and putting him on RIPE's naughty step will make any difference to his ugly war in Ukraine. Let's face it, the international sanctions that are hurting Russia and Putin's cronies haven't made a difference.

Rather indulge in virtue-signalling, I think all of us could do far more good by helping refugees or contributing to relief efforts or putting pressure on our politicians to put more pressure on the Kremlin to stop the carnage. Or any combination of these three things.