[ripe-list] Russia

In message <6D84E84E-C44C-4433-A21E-E18C30FFFE0F at frobbit.se>, 
=?utf-8?b?UGF0cmlrIEbDpGx0c3Ryw7Zt?= <paf at frobbit.se> wrote:

>The relationship between EU (and other States) and Russia, and because of
>this between us individuals and Russia, is dealt with elsewhere than at
>RIPE.

Exactly!  And if you will be kind enough to point me at the European
equivalent/counterpart to our NANOG (North American Network Operators'
Group) mailing list, then I shall depart immediately to share my message
of personal responsibility over on that mailing list, instead of this one.
I have however found no such pan-European network operators' group OR
associated mailing list, other than ripe-list.  Was my research just
inadequate?  If so, please do enlighten me!

>It has been demonstrated for you how the issue have been discussed
>and deal with in RIPE.

Yes, and as I think I've already made plain, I don't care about the official
response of RIPE.  RIPE has to do what RIPE has to do.  I've posted here in
an effort to try to reach individual network operators throughout Europe.
If there is a better place to do that, then please let me know what it is.
I'm all ears!

>Regarding EU and disconnecting Russia, that has already been discussed as
>part of the sanctions discussions, and this resulted in conclusion related
>to the 6th sanction package that can be found here...

You really just aren't getting this are you?

Governments, for their own reasons, can and will make the decisions that
suit them.  The EU is such a governmental entity, and it has reached a
decision that is now *mandated* throughout the EU.  Individuals and
individual companies are free to go further than the "official" set of
EU sanctions (and many have)... a set of sanctions which were arguably
chosen so as not to excessively offend any "important" economic interests
within any of the EU nations... much like the situation with the ongoing
Russian energy imports.

And that is exactly what I am suggesting, i.e. that individuals and individual
companies on the Internet can and should go beyond the minimalist sanctions
that ALL of the EU member states were able to agree upon, unanimously.  Those
sanctions are and should be viewed as a minimal *floor*, i.e. the bare minimum
that any and every company and person in the EU should be willing to abide by.

Any person and any network operator can do more than the minimum required
by the current EU sanctions.  And some have.  I have merely suggested that
it is a moral imperative to do more, and to do so now.

If this is at all controversial then I believe that that says more about
Europe and the people and companies within it, than it does about me.


Regards,
rfg