[ripe-list] New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review

Absolutely now, it is our law. You can change the word, you can call it whatever you want, but it is the way we manage our processes, etc., in the Spanish dictionary this is law, and I guess is the same translation in English.

 

 

 

El 25/11/21 13:43, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:

 

Can you please stop calling it law?

It is NOT a law!

 

-Cynthia

 

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”

 

 

El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió:

 

But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't.

 

The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national laws often don't, is extremely silly.

 

-Cynthia

 

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:

That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”

 

 

 

Saludos,

Jordi

@jordipalet

 

 

 

El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:

 

Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.

This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.

 

-Cynthia

 

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:

Hi Sander,

Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.

Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible subjective interpretations.


El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió:

    Jordi,

    > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience doesn't show that.

    No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support it.

    > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix rules and suggestions in a formal PDP text.

    Yes we can, we are not writing law.

    Cheers,
    Sander


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