[ripe-list] New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review

Hi,

Afaik, just the dutch court system, if anyone wants to enter that 
path.......

Carlos


On Thu, 25 Nov 2021, Cynthia Revström via ripe-list wrote:

> Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to enforce these laws and I have just missed them.
> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote:
>       Can you please stop calling it law?It is NOT a law!
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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>       That?s my point, we are actually writing ?our law?
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>       El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió:
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> But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't.
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> The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national laws often don't, is extremely silly.
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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>       That?s my point, we are actually writing ?our law?
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>       Saludos,
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>       Jordi
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>       @jordipalet
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> El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:
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> Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.
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> This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:
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>       Hi Sander,
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>       Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.
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>       Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible subjective interpretations.
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>       El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió:
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>           Jordi,
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>           > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience doesn't show that.
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>           No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I
>       STRONGLY support it.
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>           > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix
>       rules and suggestions in a formal PDP text.
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>           Yes we can, we are not writing law.
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>           Cheers,
>           Sander
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