[ripe-list] New Draft RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP) document - for your review

Jordi, I am going to leave this discussion now for a bit but please don't
take that as me agreeing with you but simply that I find it difficult to
keep talking with you about this without starting to say some harsh words.

-Cynthia

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:44 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <
ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:

> Absolutely now, it is our law. You can change the word, you can call it
> whatever you want, but it is the way we manage our processes, etc., in the
> Spanish dictionary this is law, and I guess is the same translation in
> English.
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> El 25/11/21 13:43, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:
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> Can you please stop calling it law?
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> It is NOT a law!
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
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> El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list"
> <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió:
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> But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents
> can include suggestions even if national laws often don't.
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> The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal
> national laws often don't, is extremely silly.
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law”
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> Saludos,
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> Jordi
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> @jordipalet
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> El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió:
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> Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.
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> This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.
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> -Cynthia
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list <
> ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote:
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> Hi Sander,
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> Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not
> got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.
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> Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible
> subjective interpretations.
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> El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" <
> ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió:
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>     Jordi,
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>     > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience
> doesn't show that.
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>     No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy
> proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably
> one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support
> it.
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>     > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that
> process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict
> rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". We can't mix rules and
> suggestions in a formal PDP text.
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>     Yes we can, we are not writing law.
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>     Cheers,
>     Sander
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