[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

++ for this one:

*Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall
board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only way
we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace the
board of directors.*

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 2:07 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
wrote:

> Hi Fergal,
>
> Thanks for that clarification, I can't help but feel like this "choice"
> was carefully crafted in how it has been presented to the membership base
> to ensure that regardless of what "choice" we make, the board is going to
> get what they want, which is to raise fee's and sustain an even higher
> budget.
>
> It's quite obvious that a large portion of the membership is firmly
> against this:
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ , as of
> this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to maintain the old
> charging scheme.
>
> We've been "told" that such a motion cannot be made by the membership and
> "must" come from the EB, which is highly debatable.
>
> You now confirm that members, *regardless of their action* have no voice
> in the matter and *some* form of price change to the charging scheme will
> occur even if only a single member votes for it.
>
> Since we're on the topic of discussions, I noticed something that was
> ignored previously, and I cannot seem to find in the EB meeting minutes.
>
> Which board members voted FOR this charging scheme and which members
> abstained or voted against this charging scheme.
>
> Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall
> board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only way
> we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace the
> board of directors.
>
> Daniel~
>
> On 5/14/24 6:33 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> In that scenario, only 50 members would be voting and 950 would be
> abstaining from the vote. So 26 would be the target needed for a resolution
> to achieve a majority and pass.
>
> The Articles of Association provide more details on how the voting works,
> but they do note that "Abstentions and invalid votes shall be considered as
> not having been cast. All votes, both valid and invalid, and all
> abstentions shall be recorded in the minutes."
>
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-818/#article-18-general-meeting-voting
>
> All the best,
> Fergal
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Fergal,
>>
>> Would you not require a majority vote on each item for it to be adopted?
>>
>> If for example, we have 1,000 members registered to vote, but 950 of them
>> abstained from voting on the charging scheme, surely you could not in good
>> conscious pass any of the options?
>>
>> Daniel~
>>
>> On 5/14/24 6:12 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> Hi Clément,
>>
>> The Abstain option will be there for all resolutions and for the Board
>> election, and this will indeed be reflected in the reporting as usual.
>>
>> And although the Abstains are recorded, they don't count towards the
>> results of the vote. Only the preferential choices count towards the
>> result. And it's worth pointing out that for the charging scheme vote,
>> members can vote for all three options in order of preference, or they can
>> choose just one or two options.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Fergal
>>
>> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:15 AM Clement Cavadore via members-discuss <
>> members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2024-05-13 at 13:32 +0200, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:
>>> > Yes, but those votes need to happen at the GM, not on the mailing
>>> > list :)
>>>
>>> Actually, I have no clue on what to vote at next GM regarding the
>>> charging scheme. None of the proposal is OK with what I would like to
>>> see.
>>>
>>> I hope the abstain option will be taken into consideration. I wouldn't
>>> like not to vote, as my opinion won't be reflected if I simply do not
>>> vote.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Clément Cavadore
>>>
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