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Mentor Leniqi
mentor.leniqi at albahost.net
Tue May 14 14:10:40 CEST 2024
++ for this one: *Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only way we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace the board of directors.* On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 2:07 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net> wrote: > Hi Fergal, > > Thanks for that clarification, I can't help but feel like this "choice" > was carefully crafted in how it has been presented to the membership base > to ensure that regardless of what "choice" we make, the board is going to > get what they want, which is to raise fee's and sustain an even higher > budget. > > It's quite obvious that a large portion of the membership is firmly > against this: > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ , as of > this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to maintain the old > charging scheme. > > We've been "told" that such a motion cannot be made by the membership and > "must" come from the EB, which is highly debatable. > > You now confirm that members, *regardless of their action* have no voice > in the matter and *some* form of price change to the charging scheme will > occur even if only a single member votes for it. > > Since we're on the topic of discussions, I noticed something that was > ignored previously, and I cannot seem to find in the EB meeting minutes. > > Which board members voted FOR this charging scheme and which members > abstained or voted against this charging scheme. > > Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall > board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only way > we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace the > board of directors. > > Daniel~ > > On 5/14/24 6:33 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > > In that scenario, only 50 members would be voting and 950 would be > abstaining from the vote. So 26 would be the target needed for a resolution > to achieve a majority and pass. > > The Articles of Association provide more details on how the voting works, > but they do note that "Abstentions and invalid votes shall be considered as > not having been cast. All votes, both valid and invalid, and all > abstentions shall be recorded in the minutes." > > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-818/#article-18-general-meeting-voting > > All the best, > Fergal > > On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Daniel Pearson <daniel at privatesystems.net> > wrote: > >> Fergal, >> >> Would you not require a majority vote on each item for it to be adopted? >> >> If for example, we have 1,000 members registered to vote, but 950 of them >> abstained from voting on the charging scheme, surely you could not in good >> conscious pass any of the options? >> >> Daniel~ >> >> On 5/14/24 6:12 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote: >> >> Hi Clément, >> >> The Abstain option will be there for all resolutions and for the Board >> election, and this will indeed be reflected in the reporting as usual. >> >> And although the Abstains are recorded, they don't count towards the >> results of the vote. Only the preferential choices count towards the >> result. And it's worth pointing out that for the charging scheme vote, >> members can vote for all three options in order of preference, or they can >> choose just one or two options. >> >> All the best, >> Fergal >> >> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:15 AM Clement Cavadore via members-discuss < >> members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> On Mon, 2024-05-13 at 13:32 +0200, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote: >>> > Yes, but those votes need to happen at the GM, not on the mailing >>> > list :) >>> >>> Actually, I have no clue on what to vote at next GM regarding the >>> charging scheme. None of the proposal is OK with what I would like to >>> see. >>> >>> I hope the abstain option will be taken into consideration. I wouldn't >>> like not to vote, as my opinion won't be reflected if I simply do not >>> vote. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Clément Cavadore >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripencc-management%40ripe.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing listmembers-discuss at ripe.nethttps://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/daniel%40privatesystems.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/info%40albahost.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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