[members-discuss] [comms-circle] Re: [ncc-announce] [GM] Executive Board Meeting to Discuss Charging Scheme Input from Members

Hi Fergal,

Thanks for that clarification, I can't help but feel like this "choice" 
was carefully crafted in how it has been presented to the membership 
base to ensure that regardless of what "choice" we make, the board is 
going to get what they want, which is to raise fee's and sustain an even 
higher budget.

It's quite obvious that a large portion of the membership is firmly 
against this: 
https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/member-proposals/1/ , as of 
this date, 711 individual LIR's supported a motion to maintain the old 
charging scheme.

We've been "told" that such a motion cannot be made by the membership 
and "must" come from the EB, which is highly debatable.

You now confirm that members, *regardless of their action* have no voice 
in the matter and *some* form of price change to the charging scheme 
will occur even if only a single member votes for it.

Since we're on the topic of discussions, I noticed something that was 
ignored previously, and I cannot seem to find in the EB meeting minutes.

Which board members voted FOR this charging scheme and which members 
abstained or voted against this charging scheme.

Second question, how many members need to support a proposal to recall 
board members and force a new election? It seems that may be the only 
way we will actually see any progress on this matter is to fully replace 
the board of directors.

Daniel~

On 5/14/24 6:33 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> In that scenario, only 50 members would be voting and 950 would be 
> abstaining from the vote. So 26 would be the target needed for a 
> resolution to achieve a majority and pass.
>
> The Articles of Association provide more details on how the voting 
> works, but they do note that "Abstentions and invalid votes shall be 
> considered as not having been cast. All votes, both valid and invalid, 
> and all abstentions shall be recorded in the minutes."
>
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-818/#article-18-general-meeting-voting
>
> All the best,
> Fergal
>
> On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 1:16 PM Daniel Pearson 
> <daniel at privatesystems.net> wrote:
>
>     Fergal,
>
>     Would you not require a majority vote on each item for it to be
>     adopted?
>
>     If for example, we have 1,000 members registered to vote, but 950
>     of them abstained from voting on the charging scheme, surely you
>     could not in good conscious pass any of the options?
>
>     Daniel~
>
>     On 5/14/24 6:12 AM, Fergal Cunningham wrote:
>>     Hi Clément,
>>
>>     The Abstain option will be there for all resolutions and for the
>>     Board election, and this will indeed be reflected in the
>>     reporting as usual.
>>
>>     And although the Abstains are recorded, they don't count towards
>>     the results of the vote. Only the preferential choices count
>>     towards the result. And it's worth pointing out that for the
>>     charging scheme vote, members can vote for all three options in
>>     order of preference, or they can choose just one or two options.
>>
>>     All the best,
>>     Fergal
>>
>>     On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 11:15 AM Clement Cavadore via
>>     members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello,
>>
>>         On Mon, 2024-05-13 at 13:32 +0200, Jan Zorz - Go6 wrote:
>>         > Yes, but those votes need to happen at the GM, not on the
>>         mailing
>>         > list :)
>>
>>         Actually, I have no clue on what to vote at next GM regarding the
>>         charging scheme. None of the proposal is OK with what I would
>>         like to
>>         see.
>>
>>         I hope the abstain option will be taken into consideration. I
>>         wouldn't
>>         like not to vote, as my opinion won't be reflected if I
>>         simply do not
>>         vote.
>>
>>         Regards,
>>
>>         Clément Cavadore
>>
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