[members-discuss] GM topic

Dear Dmitry,


Please see the mail from Ondrej regarding the Board meeting that will 
take place on Monday. The board will discuss all the options available 
including the two proposals received from members. Thanks for your input 
on this.


Regards,

Simon Jan Haytink RIPE NCC CFO

On 30/04/2024 19:48, Dmitry Kohmanyuk via members-discuss wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2024, at 16:11, Patrick Velder <lists at velder.li> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Hi Simon-Jan
>>
>> Thanks for your words. Let me add my 2 comments:
>>
>>  1. Mailing list: If I ever unsubscribe this list, it will be due to
>>     thousands of ticket systems, which are auto responding to
>>     literally every single mail. Or other members trying to
>>     unsubscribe me from the list, after posting. Or people posting
>>     "unsubscribe me!!!".
>>  2. Funding: I agree, that the RIPE NCC needs enough funding for its
>>     core services. As long as the CEO's office is listed in your
>>     budget with 2,2mio € (this is >120x my rent, and I'm not living
>>     in a cheap country), I guess you are funded very very well.
>>
> Just to be exact, the CEO office budget is salaries of all the 
> executives, and the EA, and includes significant travel expenses.
>
> So it is not that high, all things considered.
>>
>> Apart from that, the membership said "no" twice to ASN fees. 
>> Introducing them through the back door is not fair and will probably 
>> fail a 3rd time. Please accept the fact that the community does not 
>> want ASN fees.
>>
>> Regarding the proposals: RIPE had one year time to work on several 
>> proposals. Unfortunately they were published just a few weeks prior 
>> the meeting and no input of the discussion was used to develop these 
>> models.
>>
> I am now start to wonder what is the best option to reach rough 
> consensus (as I think a polarizing vote is not good to move forward) 
> while keeping the organization funded.
>
> While there is a statutory obligation to vote on CS in 2024 so 2025 
> income is predicted, perhaps a potential move of agenda point to the 
> Prague meeting is a solution?
>
> It has a potential for more board meetings between now and then to 
> improve the offer, for Krakow meeting discussions to take place and go 
> further, perhaps another open house, and even for a newly elected 
> board members to participate (while someone leaving a board would be 
> excluded, so there is a trade off.)
>
> Meanwhile I see that one of member proposals has a huge support, while 
> the other, not so.
> Any comment from the board on that?
>
>> Best regards
>> Patrick
>>
>> On 30.04.24 13:55, Simon-Jan Haytink wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Mihail, all,Defining what exactly a diverse group is will be 
>>> difficult. There are 20,000 members and over 5,000 subscribed to 
>>> this list, with many obviously following closely. It is also 
>>> interesting to note that over 400 people have unsubscribed from the 
>>> members-discuss list in this month alone.
>>>
>
> I worry more about 3/4 membership not interested in our discussions 
> than 400 leaving.
> While some people could have been unsubscribed by their will over the 
> time, or due to bounced email addresses, I recall that one was added 
> to the list upon LIR creation.
>
> Any ideas why people are not on the list?
>
> — dk@ (waiting for one more NOC ticket…)
>
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