[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

No, you dont pay only tax for what you paid, you also pay tax for your
lands, not on purchase, while you use it, while you use the public ways,
canals etc. And it depends on the usage. One house with one apartment doesnt
pay the same as a tower with 200 apartments.

Land registration costs are the sign-up fee on RIPE side. And the taxes are
the same here as Annual contribution (service fee) on RIPE side.

We dont talk about the sign-up fee. We are talking about the service fee..

IPv4 are public resources also. You pay on purchasing at these time money,
yes. But LIRs use services, which cause RIPE costs. They provide for us
services, like communes. We pay for this. For the stuff, for the offered
services, for the resources, for the new technologies etc.

But small LIRs cause in your opinion the same as the big LIRs to RIPE. And
they each take the same services..

I dont think so..


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Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von Simon
Lockhart
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. April 2024 11:17
An: members-discuss at ripe.net
Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging
Scheme 2025 Proposals

On Tue Apr 16, 2024 at 09:51:13AM +0200, m.terzioglu at prebits.de wrote:
> RIPE is non-profit organisation but the small LIRs are paying for the 
> bigger LIRs.

No - everyone is paying an equal share of the costs of running an Internet
*Registry*.

Long gone are the days where you can get IP addresses from RIPE (in any
sensibly usable quantities).

RIPE is a Regional Internet *Registry*, not an IP shop or IP broker.

Using the land analogy, you don't go to RIPE to buy land, you go to RIPE to
register your (ownership/claim on) land. I don't know about other countries,
but in the UK we have the UK Land Registry where you register your land. If
you want to buy land, you go to an estate agent.  Whilst the UK Land
Registry has a scale of registration costs based on the value (note, value
not size) of land, it's not a very wide scale.

If you want more IPv4 space, you don't go to RIPE, you go to an IP broker
(or purchase it privately). Once you've done that, you register your claim
to those
IPv4 addresses with RIPE.

I cannot think of any pricing model for RIPE which would result in RIPE
suddenly having lots of IPv4 addresses which can be re-distributed to LIRs.

Pretty much every proposal that has been posted over the last few weeks seem
to have an undertone of "Look, here's some LIRs who have lots of IPv4 space.
Wah, it's not fair, and I want some of it for cheap from RIPE".

Simon

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