[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2025 Proposals

we still don't understand each other. 

European Union = equality and access to value for all on the same terms. 

IP addresses were wrongly issued. This is a fact.
RIPE was not well run from its inception. 
Addresses at the beginning of the uprising were distributed without thought
and by the wrong people who made mistakes. 

Addresses are a social good.
There can be no question of who should pay how much and how to pay LIR fees.
it should be fixed. 
IP Addresses access policies must be regulated. because they have run out. 

Lack of changes that will release frozen IPs and unused IP addresses will
end up with statutory regulations and the creation of a law that will impose
this on us if we do not regulate it ourselves.

The current IP address management policy is unethical.
It is discriminatory to both the currently emerging companies and their
users. 

if there is discrimination, and in this case 100% there is, then this should
be equalized immediately.

Best Regard's/ Pozdrawiam
Gabriel Sulka

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Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Draft RIPE NCC Charging
Scheme 2025 Proposals

On Tue Apr 16, 2024 at 09:51:13AM +0200, m.terzioglu at prebits.de wrote:
> RIPE is non-profit organisation but the small LIRs are paying for the 
> bigger LIRs.

No - everyone is paying an equal share of the costs of running an Internet
*Registry*.

Long gone are the days where you can get IP addresses from RIPE (in any
sensibly usable quantities).

RIPE is a Regional Internet *Registry*, not an IP shop or IP broker.

Using the land analogy, you don't go to RIPE to buy land, you go to RIPE to
register your (ownership/claim on) land. I don't know about other countries,
but in the UK we have the UK Land Registry where you register your land. If
you want to buy land, you go to an estate agent.  Whilst the UK Land
Registry has a scale of registration costs based on the value (note, value
not size) of land, it's not a very wide scale.

If you want more IPv4 space, you don't go to RIPE, you go to an IP broker
(or purchase it privately). Once you've done that, you register your claim
to those
IPv4 addresses with RIPE.

I cannot think of any pricing model for RIPE which would result in RIPE
suddenly having lots of IPv4 addresses which can be re-distributed to LIRs.

Pretty much every proposal that has been posted over the last few weeks seem
to have an undertone of "Look, here's some LIRs who have lots of IPv4 space.
Wah, it's not fair, and I want some of it for cheap from RIPE".

Simon

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