[members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

Hi there,

I see here an evident issue. You see, first of all, ENOG is a community, not an event or a trademark. And you cannot force somebody to be a part of the community. Like, operators from Russia voted that operators from Ukraine have to be friends with them, or what?

What we are discussing here is the question, does the joint regional community of the network operators still exist? Not each operator itself, or the industry in general, but exactly the community. And I have strong doubts that it does.

> On 4 Mar 2022, at 21:06, Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
> 
> If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG,
> there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
> When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
> reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position
> or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
> 
> Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state
> and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability
> making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall.
> I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
> 
> Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
> 
> 
> On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>> Peace,
>> (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, —
>> because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
>> As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators
>> Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE
>> Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential
>> future meetings indefinitely.
>> Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE
>> Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian,
>> Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional
>> communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space
>> among the communities.
>> In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said
>> "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be
>> clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all
>> the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at
>> the time.
>> Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've
>> gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have
>> several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore
>> don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
>> Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe
>> I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region
>> to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold
>> any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I
>> hereby step down as the PC Chair.
>> It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide
>> on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act.  It
>> is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future
>> alignments to replace ENOG.
>> Stay safe.
>> --
>> Töma
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