[members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

On 2022-03-04 22:28, Alex Semenyaka wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I see here an evident issue. You see, first of all, ENOG is a
> community, not an event or a trademark. And you cannot force somebody
> to be a part of the community. Like, operators from Russia voted that
> operators from Ukraine have to be friends with them, or what?
As far as I remember, membership in ENOG is voluntary, and no one is 
forced to stay.
If someone have a difficult psychological situation, and he think that 
it is hard to be
in such group, it is his right to leave such group/society, this is 
called personal freedom.

I want to remind that attempts of individuals to decide for a large 
number of people -
violates the right of these people for personal choice and called a 
dictatorship.

> 
>> On 4 Mar 2022, at 21:06, Denys Fedoryshchenko
>> <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com> wrote:
>> If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG,
>> there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
>> When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
>> reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official
>> position
>> or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
>> 
>> Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional
>> state
>> and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability
>> making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the
>> fall.
>> I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
>> 
>> Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
>> 
>> On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>> 
>>> Peace,
>>> (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be,
>>> —
>>> because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
>>> As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators
>>> Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the
>>> RIPE
>>> Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the
>>> potential
>>> future meetings indefinitely.
>>> Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE
>>> Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian,
>>> Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other
>>> regional
>>> communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space
>>> among the communities.
>>> In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the
>>> said
>>> "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be
>>> clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for
>>> all
>>> the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as
>>> ENOG at
>>> the time.
>>> Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this
>>> should've
>>> gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently
>>> have
>>> several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I
>>> therefore
>>> don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
>>> Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't
>>> believe
>>> I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service
>>> Region
>>> to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to
>>> hold
>>> any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore,
>>> I
>>> hereby step down as the PC Chair.
>>> It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
>>> decide
>>> on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act.
>>> It
>>> is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any
>>> future
>>> alignments to replace ENOG.
>>> Stay safe.
>>> --
>>> Töma
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