[members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

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El 27/4/20 a las 13:14, Cynthia Revström escribió:
> Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a 
> RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io 
> <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
>
>     He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working
>     groups and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages,
>     but you clearly saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me
>     pretty well. I'm sorry but I don't believe you, specially when you
>     are attacking me personally so heavily with distorting the facts.
>     You clearly so the word coconut - so you also saw what I shared on
>     the same post that he wrote on other groups of people and that he
>     was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided to ignore
>     this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only the
>     word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
>
>     Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
>
>     Respectfully,
>     Elad
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re <mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
>     *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM
>     *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>>
>     *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>     <members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
>     *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination
>     and emails
>     Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to
>     Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are
>     part of it have anything to do with it either.
>
>     And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire
>     days on RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names,
>     but I will assure you that if I was on those discussions I would
>     call him out if he called you a "coconut" or similar.
>     Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists
>     doesn't mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
>
>     - Cynthia
>
>     On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io
>     <mailto:elad at netstyle.io>> wrote:
>
>         Cynthia,
>
>         The sick person which you are referring to and is your
>         colleague from "The Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many
>         many months, here in Ripe and in Nanog, he called me by many
>         names without a single proof. He was called an antisemitic and
>         a  racist not by me - but by people which are not related to
>         me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response
>         in Ripe. I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many
>         many months with him calling me by many names. So obviously
>         your interests are hidden.
>
>         In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I
>         didn't hear your voice regarding your sick colleague initial
>         message with name callings towards me when I only replied to
>         his attack on me. And his personal attack on me is exactly
>         like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that an
>         alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be
>         implemented if I will be elected.
>
>         Respectfully,
>         Elad
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of
>         Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re <mailto:me at cynthia.re>>
>         *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM
>         *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net
>         <mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>>
>         *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net
>         <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>>
>         *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's
>         nomination and emails
>         > The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing
>         "professionality"
>         on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
>         responsibility.
>
>         AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and
>         members-discuss is a mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to
>         let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE NCC membership related
>         topics, so I think they certainly have business enforcing
>         people to be professional on this mailing list.
>
>         I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on
>         different mailing lists ignored the WG chairs.
>         Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC
>         mailing lists that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such
>         I think it is their business to keep them to a professional
>         standard.
>
>         > If I'm wrong, where do
>         I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
>         community?
>
>         There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is
>         behaving unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being
>         defamatory towards the RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do
>         think that they have gone too far and everything has a limit.
>         Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the
>         mailing list as an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
>
>         - Cynthia
>
>         On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml]
>         <ripe-md at c4inet.net <mailto:ripe-md at c4inet.net>> wrote:
>
>             On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm
>             wrote:
>             >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen
>             from interacting
>             >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists)
>             due to his blatant
>             >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile
>             towards others in
>             >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these
>             lists I think the
>             >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists
>             professional and to remove
>             >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
>
>             The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing
>             "professionality"
>             on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
>             responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine
>             who can
>             be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong,
>             where do
>             I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
>             community?
>             I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet
>             seen in this thread.
>
>             rgds,
>             Sascha Luck
>
>             >
>             >- Cynthia
>
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