[members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE
NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:

> He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups
> and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly
> saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but
> I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so
> heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you
> also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of
> people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided
> to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only
> the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
>
> Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM
> *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
> emails
>
> Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to
> Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it
> have anything to do with it either.
>
> And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on
> RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will
> assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he
> called you a "coconut" or similar.
> Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't
> mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The
> Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in
> Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an
> antisemitic and a  racist not by me - but by people which are not related
> to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe.
> I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him
> calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
>
> In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear
> your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings
> towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack
> on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that
> an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I
> will be elected.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> ------------------------------
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM
> *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
> emails
>
> > The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
> responsibility.
>
> AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a
> mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE
> NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business
> enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
>
> I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing
> lists ignored the WG chairs.
> Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists
> that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their
> business to keep them to a professional standard.
>
> > If I'm wrong, where do
> I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
> community?
>
> There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving
> unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the
> RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and
> everything has a limit.
> Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as
> an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net>
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
> >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting
> >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant
> >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in
> >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the
> >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove
> >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
>
> The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
> responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can
> be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do
> I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
> community?
> I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet
> seen in this thread.
>
> rgds,
> Sascha Luck
>
> >
> >- Cynthia
>
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