[members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and emails

Hi Elad,

There are 3 major differences I see here,

1. rfg presents lots of evidence that you would have been involved in shady
things (I am not sure if they are true and frankly I don't have time
currently to look at all of the documents)
Meanwhile you are saying that people are part of "The illegal anonymous
Spamhaus Project" just because they disagree with you, and as you have said
that I am involved in Spamhaus, I would like for you to give me any proof
that I am involved with spamhaus in any way (which I am not).

2. rfg called you a "crook", which means dishonest or illegal, which would
be true if the things rfg stated are in fact true. Meanwhile you called rfg
a "coconut" which can't be anything other than an insult referring to you
thinking he is dumb.

3. rfg called you a "crook" once in a long email after describing why he
thinks you are a "crook", meanwhile you sent an email that I have posted in
its entirety below.

> START

Michael,

Ronald didn't insult me because he is mentally-illed, and he is doing
it only because I found out who are the real people behind the illegal
anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project" which Coconut Guilmette
and Cheerleader Nussbacher are part of.

Respectfully,
Elad

> END

Please just stop it Elad.

Now I still think it was wrong of rfg to use that word, but it is not at
all the same thing in my eyes.

- Cynthia

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:36 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:

>
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/2019-September/005301.html
>
> These are all complete lies only because I found out who are the real
> people behind "The Spamhaus Project"
>
> You can see how he is calling me there
>
> Everything there are lies and fake, the "source" for the fake media report
> is a member of "The Spamhaus Project" and also an employee of a direct
> competitor (that enjoyed from that fake media report) of a company which
> used the netblock, and the "source" is also the owner of that criminal
> twitter account: https://twitter.com/UnderTheBreach , he is a master of
> cyber influence operations according to his own words in his criminal
> twitter account and also a member of your cyber-security community.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:14 PM
> *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
> emails
>
> Elad, please send me an archive link to the specific email on a RIPE/RIPE
> NCC mailing list where RFG called you a rude name.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:12 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:
>
> He called me with antisemitic names many times and on many working groups
> and you said nothing, you claim not to see his messages, but you clearly
> saw all of my messages and you are monitoring me pretty well. I'm sorry but
> I don't believe you, specially when you are attacking me personally so
> heavily with distorting the facts. You clearly so the word coconut - so you
> also saw what I shared on the same post that he wrote on other groups of
> people and that he was called a racist and an antisemitic - but you decided
> to ignore this as well, so you didn't read my whole post - you read only
> the word 'coconut' and you decided to jump in ?
>
> Cynthia, please spread your lies somewhere else.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 2:05 PM
> *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
> emails
>
> Elad, first of all, I am not an employee or in any way related to
> Spamhaus, and I doubt many of the people you have suggested are part of it
> have anything to do with it either.
>
> And because I have things to do that are not spending my entire days on
> RIPE mailing lists I guess I missed RFG calling you names, but I will
> assure you that if I was on those discussions I would call him out if he
> called you a "coconut" or similar.
> Also just because someone has called you names on mailing lists doesn't
> mean you get to call them names on mailing lists.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:58 PM Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io> wrote:
>
> Cynthia,
>
> The sick person which you are referring to and is your colleague from "The
> Spamhaus Project", defamed me for many many months, here in Ripe and in
> Nanog, he called me by many names without a single proof. He was called an
> antisemitic and a  racist not by me - but by people which are not related
> to me in Nanog. After many months I provided an official response in Ripe.
> I didn't hear your voice when he defamed me for many many months with him
> calling me by many names. So obviously your interests are hidden.
>
> In the other working groups - I only replied to him, and I didn't hear
> your voice regarding your sick colleague initial message with name callings
> towards me when I only replied to his attack on me. And his personal attack
> on me is exactly like your personal attack on me now - you are afraid that
> an alternative solution to "The Spamhaus Project" will be implemented if I
> will be elected.
>
> Respectfully,
> Elad
> ------------------------------
> *From:* members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of
> Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2020 1:50 PM
> *To:* Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Regarding Elad Cohen's nomination and
> emails
>
> > The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
> responsibility.
>
> AFAIK there are no WG chairs of members-discuss and members-discuss is a
> mailing list that the RIPE NCC hosts to let RIPE NCC members discuss RIPE
> NCC membership related topics, so I think they certainly have business
> enforcing people to be professional on this mailing list.
>
> I would also like to add that Elad has multiple times on different mailing
> lists ignored the WG chairs.
> Also this is happening across a variety of RIPE/RIPE NCC mailing lists
> that are all hosted by the RIPE NCC and as such I think it is their
> business to keep them to a professional standard.
>
> > If I'm wrong, where do
> I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
> community?
>
> There should not be a long list of people, but when someone is behaving
> unprofessionally, calling people "coconut", being defamatory towards the
> RIPE NCC, ignoring WG chairs, I do think that they have gone too far and
> everything has a limit.
> Like we wouldn't allow someone to send sales emails to the mailing list as
> an example, aka limits on what is allowed.
>
> - Cynthia
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:43 PM Sascha Luck [ml] <ripe-md at c4inet.net>
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 12:02:59AM +0200, Cynthia Revstrm wrote:
> >I would like to propose that the RIPE NCC ban Elad Cohen from interacting
> >with the RIPE Community (via Meetings or mailing lists) due to his blatant
> >disregard for the Code of Conduct and for being hostile towards others in
> >the community. As the RIPE NCC hosts and manages these lists I think the
> >RIPE NCC has a responsibility to keep the lists professional and to remove
> >those who repeatedly ignore what the WG chairs are saying.
>
> The RIPE *NCC* has no business either enforcing "professionality"
> on the *community* mailing lists - this is the WG chairs'
> responsibility. Nor do I think the NCC should determine who can
> be a member of the RIPE community or not. If I'm wrong, where do
> I submit the list of people I'd like to see excluded from the
> community?
> I think this proposal is the most out-of-order thing I've yet
> seen in this thread.
>
> rgds,
> Sascha Luck
>
> >
> >- Cynthia
>
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