[members-discuss] [LIR] Re: Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers

Hi,

I don't understand RIPE NCC's actions as "support", instead i see it as 
simple "acknowledgement".

And in case you haven't noticed, "They" are also RIPE NCC members, some 
even several times... :-)

Cheers,
Carlos



On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Patrick Velder wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar.
> They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a business 
> which should not be supported by RIPE.
>
> Best regards
>
> On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote:
>> Me too.
>> 
>> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no idea if 
>> this is fraud or not.
>> 
>> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction of IP 
>> addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source.
>> 
>> Max
>> 
>> 
>> Maxemilian Hilbrand (Software & Systeme)
>> 
>> CH: +41 71 511 722 0
>> AT (mobile): +43 660 703 92 54
>> maxemilian.hilbrand at isicore.com
>> 
>> isicore AG ? Unterlettenstrasse 14 ? CH-9443 Widnau
>> Gerichtsstandort CH-9450 Altstätten, UID CHE-110.354.078
>> Verwaltungsratspräsident: Maxemilian Hilbrand
>> 
>> www.isicore.com I  info at isicore.com
>> 
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von 
>> Netmaster
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 14:03
>> An: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> we also received the same mail today.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Stefan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
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>> T +49 731 92013 - 0
>> F +49 731 92013 - 290
>> E info at scanplus.de
>> 
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>> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von 
>> ds at schallert.com
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55
>> An: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Betreff: [members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers
>> 
>> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling 
>> contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ### BEGIN ###
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message -------
>> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact at jerseypride.org>
>> To: xxxx
>> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13
>> Subject: Acquire IPv4
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this email finds you well.
>> 
>> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 
>> addresses.
>> 
>> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Alexandra Schurr
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Unsubscribe
>> 
>> 
>> ### END ###
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------
>> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green at msu.ru>
>> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas at fccn.pt>, members-discuss at ripe.net
>> CC: exec-board at ripe.net
>> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37
>> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 
>> 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss at ripe.net>:
>> 
>>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed
>>> a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently
>>> less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
>>>> +1
>>>> 
>>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it
>>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list
>>>> is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and
>>>> penalties for breaking the rules.
>> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" 
>> link to it is available on the brokers list page:
>> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers
>> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker
>> greement.doc
>> But the Supplity is still there, despite:
>> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC 
>> procedural documents ...
>> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create 
>> the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC.
>> 6. This agreement shall be terminated:
>> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their 
>> obligations as outlined in this agreement ...
>> 
>> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its 
>> Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail 
>> on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect 
>> e-mails to send their spam messages.
>> 
>> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they 
>> are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of 
>> reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> 
>> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be 
>> Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it 
>> will help.
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Are there any strict rules *today*?
>>> 
>>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Carlos
>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Sander
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