[members-discuss] Fwd: Re: RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers

Hi,

I see no reasons why there should be "RIPE certified brokers" or similar.
They are making profit with "selling" public resources. That's a 
business which should not be supported by RIPE.

Best regards

On 27.11.19 14:45, Maxemilian Hilbrand wrote:
> Me too.
>
> I got some similar emails within the last few weeks, and I have no idea if this is fraud or not.
>
> To avoid fraud, it might be a good idea to have an official auction of IP addresses on the RIPE website as trusted source.
>
> Max
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> Hi all,
>
> we also received the same mail today.
>
> Regards
> Stefan
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> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. November 2019 12:55
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>
> Received this one below today. I'm pretty certain that they're also pulling contact data from https://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/data/cc.xxxx.html
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> Regards
>
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> ### BEGIN ###
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> -------- Forwarded Message -------
> From: "Schurr Networks" <contact at jerseypride.org>
> To: xxxx
> Date: 27. November 2019 11:13
> Subject: Acquire IPv4
>
> Greetings,
>
>
> Hope this email finds you well.
>
> We will gladly assist if you are interested to Buy / Sell / Lease IPv4 addresses.
>
> Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
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> Alexandra Schurr
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> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht -------
> Von: "Alexander Zubkov" <green at msu.ru>
> An: "Carlos Friaças" <cfriacas at fccn.pt>, members-discuss at ripe.net
> CC: exec-board at ripe.net
> Gesendet: 27. November 2019 00:37
> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers 26.11.2019, 20:16, "Carlos Friaças via members-discuss" <members-discuss at ripe.net>:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, Sander Steffann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>> The page should reflect this: *these* are the brokers that have signed
>> a contract with the NCC, and whoever is not on this page is inherently
>> less trustworthy. Or at least, not backed by a NCC contract.
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Currently the list of brokers is of value to the brokers because it
>>> gives them credibility. Let's turn that around and make sure the list
>>> is of value to the community instead, with very strict rules and
>>> penalties for breaking the rules.
> There are rules already. See "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement" link to it is available on the brokers list page:
> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers
> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/brokers/RecognisedIPv4Broker
> greement.doc
> But the Supplity is still there, despite:
> 2. The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents ...
> 4. The Broker does not represent the RIPE NCC and shall not imply or create the impression to third parties that they represent the RIPE NCC.
> 6. This agreement shall be terminated:
> * By the RIPE NCC with immediate effect if the Broker violates any of their obligations as outlined in this agreement ...
>
> And it is known for sure, that Supplity impersonates RIPE NCC on its Facebook page (still), they were lying in their spam about getting e-mail on RIPE NCC's training courses. They are obviously using RIPE DB to collect e-mails to send their spam messages.
>
> PS. I reported their page to Facebook several days ago, but looks like they are not going to do anything with it or may be waiting for zillions of reports. So who can - please make more reports about their page: (...) -> Find Support or Report Page -> Scams and Fake Pages -> Pretending to be Another Business (or another report reason you find suitable). May be it will help.
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are there any strict rules *today*?
>>
>> Are there any penalties for breaking the rules (if there are any) *today*?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Carlos
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sander
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