[members-discuss] Spam from Cyprian Nica / IP Broker Limited (Re: Inquiry regarding availability for subnet x.x.x.0 - y.y.y.255

Cyprian,

Thank you for confirming that you used RIPE Database information for
direct marketing purposes.

RIPE NCC: can you confirm whether or not using RIPE Database information
for direct marketing purposes is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
Transfer Broker Agreement?

Nick
> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk>
> 10 October 2016 at 16:25
> Yes, I have used the specific contact details for the specific block.
> How can anyone get in contact with the user of a specific block of IPs
> if not by using the contact details listed for that block ? 
>
> I didn't deny that, I only said that I didn't dig for a bunch of
> e-mails to send a spam advertising some service or product. I
> specifically contacted the listed persons for each specific block that
> I've found to be unused.
>
> Once again I apologize if sending you a single e-mail for a specific
> block that is not in use really causes so much trouble.
>
>
>
> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie>
> 10 October 2016 at 16:20
> Cyprian,
>
> You used a specific email address that has only ever been used by me
> in the RIPE database.  If you have used it, and particularly if you
> have used it in association with a specific range of RIPE NCC-assigned
> ipv4 addresses, it means that this information has been pulled either
> directly or indirectly from the RIPE database.
>
> Nick
>
> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk>
> 10 October 2016 at 16:12
> Hi Nick,
>
> First of all, I have not used the ripe database contact info to send
> marketing, advertising or anything to promote a service or product.
>
> I apologize to anyone that was disturbed by my e-mail. I have tried
> not to send any duplicates and limited as much as possible any
> discomfort. I'm not doing this on a regular basis and probably you've
> never got an e-mail from me before.
>
> There are 43 million IP addresses which are allocated in RIPE region
> and are not announced in the global BGP table. Of course there are
> some which are not announced on purpose and to those I apologize
> again. But there are many IP addresses which are not in use and the
> only way to get in touch with the users is by contacting them using
> obviously publicly available contact information.
>
> I have e-mailed contacts for specific subnets that were checked to be
> not advertised. How else should we get the IPs to the market ? There's
> no tool provided by RIPE or any other solution to push this huge
> amount to the market. Maybe some are concerned that bringing up the
> unused space will lower the prices. Well, I am not supporting those
> who sit on huge amount of IPs and seek prices in the 10+ EUR range. I
> really hope IPv6 will move quicker and in a couple of years no IPv4
> will have value so while there is still some demand, we're doing our
> best to find the supply, to dig it up to the surface.
>
> So, once again at this moment there are over 43 million IPs in the
> RIPE region only that are not advertised in the BGP table. The total
> amount of IPs transferred over the past 4 years in the RIPE region is
> ~27 million.
>
> I apologize if my method was too extreme and have upset some people
> but I promise not to bother you again. Most likely there are people
> who just sit on the resources and don't care about other's needs. We
> can't seem to be able to lift their butts off them.
>
> Have a nice week,
> Ciprian
>
>
>
>
> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie>
> 10 October 2016 at 15:20
> I've received several copies of the template email below about several
> different address ranges, all sent to email addresses culled from the
> RIPE Database.  They all appear to originate from Cyprian Nica / IP
> Broker Ltd.
>
> In order to be listed as an IP broker on the RIPE web site, it is
> necessary to sign the "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement".  This
> includes the following text:
>
>> The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC
>> procedural documents, [...]
>
> The RIPE Database T&Cs include the following text:
>
>> Users may not use the RIPE Database or the data contained therein for
>> advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes.
>
> Could the RIPE NCC kindly confirm whether or not spamming contact email
> address gleaned from the RIPE DB is a violation of the Recognised IPv4
> Transfer Broker Agreement?
>
> If this isn't a violation, could the Board consider specifically adding
> an anti-spamming term into the IP Broker T&Cs listing?
>
> Nick
>
> Ciprian Nica wrote:
>> Dear Sirs,
>>
>> My name is Ciprian Nica and I'm the CEO of IP Broker Ltd, one of the
>> first IPv4 Address brokers in the RIPE region. I am contacting you
>> regarding the block of 256 IPv4 addresses (from x.x.x.0  to
>> 'y.y.y.255') which according to our data seems to be not in use as
>> they are not announced in the global BGP table.
>>
>> If you no longer need these IP addresses then it is a good moment to
>> sell them. The global IPv6 deployment rate is around 15% while in USA
>> is around 30% so in a couple of years IPv4 might become worthless
>> again.
>>
>> Of course that besides the subnet mentioned above there might be some
>> other blocks that you might not need. Please let us know all the
>> blocks of IP addresses that you no longer need and we will do our
>> best to sell them in a fast and secure way.
>
>> Thank you,
>> Ciprian Nica
>> CEO
>> IP Broker Limited
>> t: +44 20 339 339 91
>>
>
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