[members-discuss] Spam from Cyprian Nica / IP Broker Limited (Re: Inquiry regarding availability for subnet x.x.x.0 - y.y.y.255
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Marcel Edler (Optimate-Server.de)
medler at optimate-server.de
Mon Oct 10 17:45:01 CEST 2016
Hi guys, I got that mail also. But I would say, please calm down, he had an good idea and he offer a good service. It was his first time and he not spam us many times... Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Edler Geschäftsinhaber Optimate-Server Im Sommerfeld 38 63150 Heusenstamm Germany Tel.: 06104 / 9722141 Fax: 06104 / 9722142 Mobil: 0177 / 83 55 499 eMail: medler at optimate-server.de Internet: http://www.optimate-server.de Am 10.10.2016 um 17:31 schrieb Nick Hilliard: > Cyprian, > > Thank you for confirming that you used RIPE Database information for > direct marketing purposes. > > RIPE NCC: can you confirm whether or not using RIPE Database > information for direct marketing purposes is a violation of the > Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement? > > Nick >> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk> >> 10 October 2016 at 16:25 >> Yes, I have used the specific contact details for the specific block. >> How can anyone get in contact with the user of a specific block of >> IPs if not by using the contact details listed for that block ? >> >> I didn't deny that, I only said that I didn't dig for a bunch of >> e-mails to send a spam advertising some service or product. I >> specifically contacted the listed persons for each specific block >> that I've found to be unused. >> >> Once again I apologize if sending you a single e-mail for a specific >> block that is not in use really causes so much trouble. >> >> >> >> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie> >> 10 October 2016 at 16:20 >> Cyprian, >> >> You used a specific email address that has only ever been used by me >> in the RIPE database. If you have used it, and particularly if you >> have used it in association with a specific range of RIPE >> NCC-assigned ipv4 addresses, it means that this information has been >> pulled either directly or indirectly from the RIPE database. >> >> Nick >> >> Ciprian Nica <mailto:office at ip-broker.uk> >> 10 October 2016 at 16:12 >> Hi Nick, >> >> First of all, I have not used the ripe database contact info to send >> marketing, advertising or anything to promote a service or product. >> >> I apologize to anyone that was disturbed by my e-mail. I have tried >> not to send any duplicates and limited as much as possible any >> discomfort. I'm not doing this on a regular basis and probably you've >> never got an e-mail from me before. >> >> There are 43 million IP addresses which are allocated in RIPE region >> and are not announced in the global BGP table. Of course there are >> some which are not announced on purpose and to those I apologize >> again. But there are many IP addresses which are not in use and the >> only way to get in touch with the users is by contacting them using >> obviously publicly available contact information. >> >> I have e-mailed contacts for specific subnets that were checked to be >> not advertised. How else should we get the IPs to the market ? >> There's no tool provided by RIPE or any other solution to push this >> huge amount to the market. Maybe some are concerned that bringing up >> the unused space will lower the prices. Well, I am not supporting >> those who sit on huge amount of IPs and seek prices in the 10+ EUR >> range. I really hope IPv6 will move quicker and in a couple of years >> no IPv4 will have value so while there is still some demand, we're >> doing our best to find the supply, to dig it up to the surface. >> >> So, once again at this moment there are over 43 million IPs in the >> RIPE region only that are not advertised in the BGP table. The total >> amount of IPs transferred over the past 4 years in the RIPE region is >> ~27 million. >> >> I apologize if my method was too extreme and have upset some people >> but I promise not to bother you again. Most likely there are people >> who just sit on the resources and don't care about other's needs. We >> can't seem to be able to lift their butts off them. >> >> Have a nice week, >> Ciprian >> >> >> >> >> Nick Hilliard <mailto:nick at netability.ie> >> 10 October 2016 at 15:20 >> I've received several copies of the template email below about several >> different address ranges, all sent to email addresses culled from the >> RIPE Database. They all appear to originate from Cyprian Nica / IP >> Broker Ltd. >> >> In order to be listed as an IP broker on the RIPE web site, it is >> necessary to sign the "Recognised IPv4 Transfer Broker Agreement". This >> includes the following text: >> >>> The Broker shall adhere to the relevant RIPE Policies and RIPE NCC >>> procedural documents, [...] >> >> The RIPE Database T&Cs include the following text: >> >>> Users may not use the RIPE Database or the data contained therein for >>> advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes. >> >> Could the RIPE NCC kindly confirm whether or not spamming contact email >> address gleaned from the RIPE DB is a violation of the Recognised IPv4 >> Transfer Broker Agreement? >> >> If this isn't a violation, could the Board consider specifically adding >> an anti-spamming term into the IP Broker T&Cs listing? >> >> Nick >> >> Ciprian Nica wrote: >>> Dear Sirs, >>> >>> My name is Ciprian Nica and I'm the CEO of IP Broker Ltd, one of the >>> first IPv4 Address brokers in the RIPE region. I am contacting you >>> regarding the block of 256 IPv4 addresses (from x.x.x.0 to >>> 'y.y.y.255') which according to our data seems to be not in use as >>> they are not announced in the global BGP table. >>> >>> If you no longer need these IP addresses then it is a good moment to >>> sell them. The global IPv6 deployment rate is around 15% while in USA >>> is around 30% so in a couple of years IPv4 might become worthless >>> again. >>> >>> Of course that besides the subnet mentioned above there might be some >>> other blocks that you might not need. Please let us know all the >>> blocks of IP addresses that you no longer need and we will do our >>> best to sell them in a fast and secure way. >> >>> Thank you, >>> Ciprian Nica >>> CEO >>> IP Broker Limited >>> t: +44 20 339 339 91 >>> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". 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