[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Brandon Butterworth <hostmaster at bogons.net
> wrote:

> On Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:18:19AM +0200, Prager-IT e.U. wrote:
> > > With membership fee based on number of /24 then members may decide
> > > to also get one vote per /24.  Would they vote for this scheme (do
> > > they get their N*/24 votes before or after this vote...)
> >
> > I don't understand what you are trying to say
>
> I'm saying that if fees are proportional to resource then the members
> with more resource (/24's or whatever the measure) may wish to have a
> quantity of votes proportional to the resource they pay for
>

Simply wishing for it is thankfully not enough.


>
> > each entity has one vote
> > even if they have multiple LIR accounts under the same entity.
>
> In the current scheme, if you change the scheme that may change too
>

We have a democratic system, if we follow your line of argumentation we
might as well setup a dictatorship.


>
> > We are not shifting any costs, we are just asking each member to pay
> their
> > fair share for the amount of resources they are using
>
> Yes it is, it is shifting the cost to larger members, hugely
>

I disagree, we are acting in the interests of the RIPE NCC membership. If
everybody is asked to pay their *fair share* it re-establishes at least
some fairness in an inherently unfair system. By now, due to the large
number of LIRs, we have the majority to make the current system a bit
fairer and we should follow this path with all tools in our arsenal.



> > 8,23 Euros per year per 256 IPv4 addresses is hardly a business case
> > breaking amount of money.
>
> I referred to the current scheme which is also hardly a business case
> breaking amount of money. So cost is not a good reason to change it
> especially when changing it will drive the sort of behaviour that
> RIPE are trying to prevent
>

Asking the people with the least amount of resources to cover the
membership fee for the 1% is inherently unfair especially when we have the
tools to re-establish some fairness in an inherently unfair system.

The current membership fee of 1400 Euros per year represents for small
business an unnecessary burden and is inherently unfair and it needs to be
changed and I am sure the voting will reflect that sentiment.

You seem to not want to re-establish fairness and keep the system unfair
for the sake of not changing anything, I don't want that and I will try to
use the democratic tools we currently still have at our disposal to make an
inherently unfair situation a little bit fairer but you are obviously
entitled to your opinion and should vote accordingly.


Kind Regards,
Stefan Prager

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