[members-discuss] Sign-up fee for additional LIR account

On Sun Jul 24, 2016 at 10:18:19AM +0200, Prager-IT e.U. wrote:
> > With membership fee based on number of /24 then members may decide
> > to also get one vote per /24.  Would they vote for this scheme (do
> > they get their N*/24 votes before or after this vote...)
> 
> I don't understand what you are trying to say

I'm saying that if fees are proportional to resource then the members
with more resource (/24's or whatever the measure) may wish to have a
quantity of votes proportional to the resource they pay for

> each entity has one vote
> even if they have multiple LIR accounts under the same entity.

In the current scheme, if you change the scheme that may change too

> We are not shifting any costs, we are just asking each member to pay their
> fair share for the amount of resources they are using

Yes it is, it is shifting the cost to larger members, hugely

> 8,23 Euros per year per 256 IPv4 addresses is hardly a business case
> breaking amount of money.

I referred to the current scheme which is also hardly a business case
breaking amount of money. So cost is not a good reason to change it
especially when changing it will drive the sort of behaviour that
RIPE are trying to prevent

> These changes will also bring a very real cost to
> super large LIRs that hold a ton of resources and may
> finally spark some meaningful IPv6 adoption.

It may but the access networks with large amounts of IPv4
are adopting IPv6 already, it takes a long time and it's
only been started in the last few years but it's happening
in large chunks, like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoqGvZr4Uto

The hard bit is content hosters who mostly have enough
space and don't have enough IPv4 that charging more for it
will be a large incentive

brandon