[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

HOW DO I UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS CRAB ?

Alexei Platonov wrote:

> According to Andrew Stesin:
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:
> > > 1) There do exists some part of RIPE community (ISPs from Russia,
> > > Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine - about 45) that is served by RosNIIROS.
> >                           ^
> >                             only 1 LIR from Ukraine, though;
> >                           you are serving mostly Russian territory
>
> Of course, I'm not going to make some secret from the fact that
> these ISP mainly represent Russia. Only one remark: some of ISPs that
> have signed "Memorandum" (Relcom, Sovam, ...) serve the territory of FSU.
>
> >
> >
> > > As you can notice, these items follow two stages described in ripe-167.
> > > I still think that this document is reasonable as far as it reflects
> > > reality, though the argumentation is not fully adequate.
> >
> >       A better document is badly needed, anyway -- don't you agree?
> >
>
> Of course, but I never insisted that ripe-167 gives all details. It's
> just some direction to move. The only question is: if we understand that
> the direction is right, shall we move or we need detailed plan from
> the beginning to the final? The main contradiction between our positions
> (if I understand) is that I prefer to move immediately, step by step,
> even if we have no detailed plan for all path.
>
> > > It seems to me, that the above text doesn't contrdict your position
> > > or I don't understand anything.
> >
> >       We -- means you and me :) -- got some understanding, that's it.
> >
> >       So would you mind reviewing my own answers (on your behalf) to my own
> >       questions, please?
> >
> > > > > The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including
> > > >                           ^^^^
> > > >   Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above)
> > > >   are?
> >
> >       You answer should be: "we" means the community, represented
> >       by the working group recently formed.  Yes?
>
> you  are right
> >
> > > > > I have to do something with the
> > > > > community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,
> > > >
> > > >   Why do you think you *have to* do something?  What's wrong
> > > >   with current state of affairs?  Why something should be
> > > >   changed?
> >
> >       Ok, let's consider the above 3 questions answered by you already.
> >       You already have customers, you want to continue your
> >       activities and expand them, and to survive financialy, and to increase
> >       quality of service.  Be it so.
> >
> > > >     Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR
> > > >   to adjucent countries? this last question is the most
> > > >   interesting and important for me.
> >
> >       And this one?  am I right feeling that if you are serving
> >       a single LIR in Ukraine, you feel that the whole
> >       Ukraine should be served by you also?
>
> no. You again mix things. On the first step we give the _opportunity_ to
> be served in RIPE NCC office for all who prefer it. As for the second
> step, I repeat once more - it'not clear how to do, and with large
> probability it's not RosNIIROS that will be the base for RIR. As it was
> mentioned already, the optimal scheme is RNA.
>
> >
> > > >   Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting
> > > >   a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase
> > > >   the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and
> > > >   only real problem?
> >
> >       And this question I'd like to ask: did you consider some ways
> >       of increasing the quality of your service, other than
> >       getting a "RIPE Office" and "RIR" label, but just remaining to
> >       be RosNIIROS?
>
> I'm quite sure that without coordination with RIPE, both financial and
> organizational, it's impossible to do something reasonable.
>
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Andrew Stesin
> >
> > nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
> >
> >
> >
> Best regards,
> Alexei Platonov