[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

According to Andrew Stesin:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:
> > 1) There do exists some part of RIPE community (ISPs from Russia,
> > Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine - about 45) that is served by RosNIIROS.
>                           ^
>                             only 1 LIR from Ukraine, though;
> 			    you are serving mostly Russian territory

Of course, I'm not going to make some secret from the fact that
these ISP mainly represent Russia. Only one remark: some of ISPs that
have signed "Memorandum" (Relcom, Sovam, ...) serve the territory of FSU.

> 
> 
> > As you can notice, these items follow two stages described in ripe-167.
> > I still think that this document is reasonable as far as it reflects
> > reality, though the argumentation is not fully adequate. 
> 
> 	A better document is badly needed, anyway -- don't you agree?
> 

Of course, but I never insisted that ripe-167 gives all details. It's
just some direction to move. The only question is: if we understand that
the direction is right, shall we move or we need detailed plan from
the beginning to the final? The main contradiction between our positions
(if I understand) is that I prefer to move immediately, step by step,
even if we have no detailed plan for all path.

> > It seems to me, that the above text doesn't contrdict your position
> > or I don't understand anything.
> 
> 	We -- means you and me :) -- got some understanding, that's it.
> 
> 	So would you mind reviewing my own answers (on your behalf) to my own
> 	questions, please?
> 
> > > > The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including
> > >                           ^^^^
> > > 	Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above)
> > > 	are?
> 
> 	You answer should be: "we" means the community, represented
> 	by the working group recently formed.  Yes?

you  are right
> 
> > > > I have to do something with the
> > > > community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,
> > > 
> > > 	Why do you think you *have to* do something?  What's wrong
> > > 	with current state of affairs?  Why something should be
> > > 	changed?
> 
> 	Ok, let's consider the above 3 questions answered by you already.
> 	You already have customers, you want to continue your
> 	activities and expand them, and to survive financialy, and to increase
> 	quality of service.  Be it so.
> 
> > >     Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR
> > > 	to adjucent countries? this last question is the most
> > > 	interesting and important for me.
> 
> 	And this one?  am I right feeling that if you are serving
> 	a single LIR in Ukraine, you feel that the whole
> 	Ukraine should be served by you also?

no. You again mix things. On the first step we give the _opportunity_ to
be served in RIPE NCC office for all who prefer it. As for the second
step, I repeat once more - it'not clear how to do, and with large
probability it's not RosNIIROS that will be the base for RIR. As it was
mentioned already, the optimal scheme is RNA.

> 
> > > 	Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting
> > > 	a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase
> > > 	the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and
> > > 	only real problem?
> 
> 	And this question I'd like to ask: did you consider some ways
> 	of increasing the quality of your service, other than
> 	getting a "RIPE Office" and "RIR" label, but just remaining to
> 	be RosNIIROS?

I'm quite sure that without coordination with RIPE, both financial and
organizational, it's impossible to do something reasonable.

> 
> Best regards,
> Andrew Stesin
> 
> nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE
> 
> 
> 
Best regards,
Alexei Platonov