[ripe-167] Impressions brought from Moscow meeting

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Alexei Platonov wrote:

> Andrew, sorry, but I want to make only two remarks. It seems to me,
> that it would be better for me to stop participating in this
> discussion as far as: 
>      I'm an advocate of goverment regulation;
>      I want to form "Russian Union" in Internet 
>      etc. etc.

	Probably you have taken my comments as an offense... please
	take my apologies, I just sincerely want to have all this
	cleared.

> 1) There do exists some part of RIPE community (ISPs from Russia,
> Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine - about 45) that is served by RosNIIROS.
                          ^
                            only 1 LIR from Ukraine, though;
			    you are serving mostly Russian territory

> Let's fix that it's not interesting for me _why_ do they like
> such a scheme. I'm interested now only to  increase the quality of service
> for them. Just now I cannot do it because I'd be forced to rise
> tariffs to have some more staff, equipment, etc. - now I just "channelize"
> money to RIPE NCC. The problem can be solved within existing RIPE NCC
> tariffs only under some status, and RIPE office is quite good.

	Ok, I accept this argumentation as worth to be discussed.
	This is something realistic.  Pity you didn't mention
	this argument in ripe-167.

> 2) The problem of RIR is much more complicated and needs further
> discussion. As far as you speak about ripe-167+ document, I understand
> that you are not rejecting this project at all.

	Sure I don't and I weren't and if you recall,
	at Moscow meeting I was trying to add some critical parts
	to the decision etc.  Please don't think that I just have some
	destructive goals "as such".  But the issues we are
	dealing with are pretty serious, so I'd like your position
	to be solid and better argumented in order to be taken
	into account as something really creative.  It wasn't solid...

> I hope you are informed
> that working group on this problem already exists and prepares preliminary
> documents (and you are welcome of course, as well as any other person
> interested in the problem under consideration).

	Yes, I'm considering this.

> By the way, I'm not the
> member of this WG, I'm only the consultant. Some document (say, ripe-167+)
> will be the result of this work.

	Let's wait until the new document will arrive, Ok?

> As you can notice, these items follow two stages described in ripe-167.
> I still think that this document is reasonable as far as it reflects
> reality, though the argumentation is not fully adequate. 

	A better document is badly needed, anyway -- don't you agree?

> It seems to me, that the above text doesn't contrdict your position
> or I don't understand anything.

	We -- means you and me :) -- got some understanding, that's it.

	So would you mind reviewing my own answers (on your behalf) to my own
	questions, please?

> > > The only thing I insist: we need to begin _practical_ work, including
> >                           ^^^^
> > 	Would you please mind clarifying in details: who "you" (see "we" above)
> > 	are?

	You answer should be: "we" means the community, represented
	by the working group recently formed.  Yes?

> > > I have to do something with the
> > > community that already gets service through RosNIIROS,
> > 
> > 	Why do you think you *have to* do something?  What's wrong
> > 	with current state of affairs?  Why something should be
> > 	changed?

	Ok, let's consider the above 3 questions answered by you already.
	You already have customers, you want to continue your
	activities and expand them, and to survive financialy, and to increase
	quality of service.  Be it so.

> >     Why attempts to expand the scope of RosNIIROS IR
> > 	to adjucent countries? this last question is the most
> > 	interesting and important for me.

	And this one?  am I right feeling that if you are serving
	a single LIR in Ukraine, you feel that the whole
	Ukraine should be served by you also?

> > 	Ok, am I understabding correctly, that without getting
> > 	a "RIPE NCC" label on the frontdoor RosNIIROS can't increase
> > 	the quality of service it provides? and this is the one and
> > 	only real problem?

	And this question I'd like to ask: did you consider some ways
	of increasing the quality of your service, other than
	getting a "RIPE Office" and "RIR" label, but just remaining to
	be RosNIIROS?

Best regards,
Andrew Stesin

nic-hdl: ST73-RIPE