[diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0

Fully agree with Brian,

I think, the idea of having 'enforcement' in our community is a trigger 
in general and the instinct is to push against it.

And there is definitely the very real fear that if there's an implicit 
expectation that 'we'll all do our best to make sure bad actors are 
stopped', then we could get into a situation where no one acts because 
they assume someone else must have already done.

Would it help if I went over the documentation that Sasha has sent 
through and draft a proposal/call for volunteers/scope for a CoC Team to 
review now?

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On 29/07/2019 10:12, Brian Nisbet wrote:
> So, I've been looking at this again, and reading the various comments and it's my impression that the sticking point is the enforcement, because we seem to agree on everything else?
>
> I mean, text that says "please call things out, don't be a bystander" is easy and fine, I think? But it also does not solve the problem.
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> I think the core point here is that change is made and that asking everyone to do something will not be that change. So I fully agree we need some sort of group, as other communities have put in place, and I don't think spending a long time trying to gather data is the right way to go. Mostly because I think we have that data already.
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> We are engineers, we can iterate, we can put this group together and if it fails, we can take it away again. I think we fool ourselves, as humans, into thinking that someone once there must always be there. Working Groups have changed, have gone away, lots of other structures and pieces of the RIPE Community have changed and will continue to change.
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> So rather than continuing to try to see what's happening and then act, I very strongly suggest we act and then see what happens. We are a very strong community, we can take a little risk, so to speak.
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> Brian
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: diversity <diversity-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Sasha Romijn
>> Sent: Friday 19 July 2019 13:38
>> To: diversity at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0
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>> Hello all,
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>> This thread has been quiet for a month now. How do we move forward with
>> this?
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>> Sasha
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