[diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0

Amanda,

I would certainly be very much in favour of you doing that, please.

Brian

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amanda Gowland <agowland at ripe.net>
> Sent: Monday 29 July 2019 09:24
> To: Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie>; Sasha Romijn
> <sasha at mxsasha.eu>; diversity at ripe.net
> Subject: Re: [diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0
> 
> Fully agree with Brian,
> 
> I think, the idea of having 'enforcement' in our community is a trigger in
> general and the instinct is to push against it.
> 
> And there is definitely the very real fear that if there's an implicit expectation
> that 'we'll all do our best to make sure bad actors are stopped', then we
> could get into a situation where no one acts because they assume someone
> else must have already done.
> 
> Would it help if I went over the documentation that Sasha has sent through
> and draft a proposal/call for volunteers/scope for a CoC Team to review
> now?
> 
> a
> 
> On 29/07/2019 10:12, Brian Nisbet wrote:
> > So, I've been looking at this again, and reading the various comments and
> it's my impression that the sticking point is the enforcement, because we
> seem to agree on everything else?
> >
> > I mean, text that says "please call things out, don't be a bystander" is easy
> and fine, I think? But it also does not solve the problem.
> >
> > I think the core point here is that change is made and that asking everyone
> to do something will not be that change. So I fully agree we need some sort
> of group, as other communities have put in place, and I don't think spending
> a long time trying to gather data is the right way to go. Mostly because I think
> we have that data already.
> >
> > We are engineers, we can iterate, we can put this group together and if it
> fails, we can take it away again. I think we fool ourselves, as humans, into
> thinking that someone once there must always be there. Working Groups
> have changed, have gone away, lots of other structures and pieces of the
> RIPE Community have changed and will continue to change.
> >
> > So rather than continuing to try to see what's happening and then act, I
> very strongly suggest we act and then see what happens. We are a very
> strong community, we can take a little risk, so to speak.
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > Brian Nisbet
> > Service Operations Manager
> > HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
> > 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
> > +35316609040 brian.nisbet at heanet.ie www.heanet.ie
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> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: diversity <diversity-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of Sasha Romijn
> >> Sent: Friday 19 July 2019 13:38
> >> To: diversity at ripe.net
> >> Subject: Re: [diversity] RIPE Code of Conduct 2.0
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> This thread has been quiet for a month now. How do we move forward
> with
> >> this?
> >>
> >> Sasha
> >>
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