[anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next?

I think this community let's the perfect be the enemy of the possible.

Just because there are traffic rules doesn't mean people don't violate 
them. But they violate them much less.

See, what I fear is, that at some stage states will start to regulate, 
because the industry fails to do so. And usually that is not fun.

So I support Jordi in that we should demand this. Yes there will be 
Bullet proof hosters, but maybe a lot of the others will actually 
comply, exactly because they are not bullet proof hosters.

We do this in many other places, it's called voluntary norms for 
responsible behaviour, and is seen as a great tool to improve things. 
Happy to explain more if there is an interest.

Best
Serge


On 01.11.23 10:21, Gert Doering wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, Nov 01, 2023 at 10:10:45AM +0100, jordi.palet--- via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
>> We had a policy proposal to ensure that the abuse mailbox was valid and monitored, but this community didn???t liked it. In other regions it works and it proven to be a very valid tool.
> 
> You failed to demonstrate why "the mailbox is monitored in a way that
> satisfies the proposed policy" would imply "the ISP in question suddenly
> gets interested in acting against abuse".  Especially those that promote
> themselves as "bulletproof hosting".
> 
> This is what the community did not like - added bureaucracy with no
> provable gain.
> 
> Gert Doering
>          -- NetMaster
> 
> 

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