[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion

Cynthia,

If you got the impression of me trying to sell you something, I apologize.

My intention was to help you answer your genuine question and give you my
experience on how dozens of Abuse Desk Operators handle this day in, day
out.
Those real-world best practices differ fundamentally from what some
Security Researchers and some Anti Abuse Advocates would love to see
implemented real-world best practices.

Once again, if this was hitting the wrong buttons I apologize, this was not
my intention.

Thanks,

Tobias

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T.

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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:10 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> (intro)
> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his
> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I
> said on a mailing list.
>
> (mainly towards Tobias)
> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me
> services is bad enough.
> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as a
> selling point is much worse.
>
> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working
> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all.
>
> also this:
> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>
> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but yeah
> it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because it is
> bad.
>
> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs)
> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if
> they abuse their position to sell their services.
>
> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but
> idk why this would be the first time.
>
> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me
> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying
> I am not interested).
> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the
> db-wg.
>
> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it
> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair,
> it didn't appear like it was a sales email.
>
> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be
> held private.
>
> -Cynthia
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Cynthia,
>>
>> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and
>> also Founder and CEO of Abusix.
>>
>>
>> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>>
>> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size
>> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
>>
>> Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you
>> about how our clients handle those things.
>>
>> Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar:
>> https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min
>>
>> Thanks and stay safe.
>>
>> Tobias
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Tobias Knecht
>>
>> Founder & CEO
>>
>>
>>
>> T.
>>
>> +49 170 455 98 45
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