[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion

Hi Tobias,

I am very sorry, I messed up and I really shouldn't have come to the
conclusion of it for sure being marketing that quickly.
I will remember this for any potential future similar scenarios to not
repeat it.

-Cynthia


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:19 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote:

> Cynthia,
>
> If you got the impression of me trying to sell you something, I apologize.
>
> My intention was to help you answer your genuine question and give you my
> experience on how dozens of Abuse Desk Operators handle this day in, day
> out.
> Those real-world best practices differ fundamentally from what some
> Security Researchers and some Anti Abuse Advocates would love to see
> implemented real-world best practices.
>
> Once again, if this was hitting the wrong buttons I apologize, this was
> not my intention.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tobias
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> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:10 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> (intro)
>> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his
>> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I
>> said on a mailing list.
>>
>> (mainly towards Tobias)
>> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me
>> services is bad enough.
>> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as
>> a selling point is much worse.
>>
>> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working
>> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all.
>>
>> also this:
>> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>>
>> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but yeah
>> it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because it is
>> bad.
>>
>> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs)
>> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if
>> they abuse their position to sell their services.
>>
>> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but
>> idk why this would be the first time.
>>
>> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me
>> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying
>> I am not interested).
>> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the
>> db-wg.
>>
>> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it
>> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair,
>> it didn't appear like it was a sales email.
>>
>> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be
>> held private.
>>
>> -Cynthia
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Cynthia,
>>>
>>> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and
>>> also Founder and CEO of Abusix.
>>>
>>>
>>> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
>>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>>>
>>> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size
>>> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
>>>
>>> Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you
>>> about how our clients handle those things.
>>>
>>> Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar:
>>> https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min
>>>
>>> Thanks and stay safe.
>>>
>>> Tobias
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