[anti-abuse-wg] Anti-social assholes

This is a standard problem with even Google

Domain name(s) registered on Google Registrar
Spam from google apps mail
Domains hosted on a google cloud IP
Redirect hosted on google firebase
Report to google safe browsing
Feed URLs to virus total - also owned by Google

Suppose you have a phish campaign that has registered say a dozen domains, how many web forms do you end up submitting?

Also - the language used is fast becoming a throwback to the old days of news.admin.net-abuse.email, I thought we’d all moved away from that sort of thing.

--srs
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From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of steve payne <stevenp8844 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 9:18:53 PM
To: JJS JJS <no0484985 at gmail.com>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Anti-social assholes

The problem with the online form report abuse is that you can only submit 1 url at a time.

When you submit the url, then they will ask for more information. The same as sending to abuse@

Once you submit the additional information, you usually do not hear anything back from these cloud hosting providers and I rarely see anything happen.

The "abuse" they are looking for is email spam generated from their servers that do not follow the CAN-SPAM act. Any other type of "abuse" is not "abuse" as the usual response is "Oh I found what your're talking about i've fixed the problem".





On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 9:02 PM JJS JJS <no0484985 at gmail.com<mailto:no0484985 at gmail.com>> wrote:

To put it alternatively:

Imagine you walk down a street and there are lots of pubs (saloons?) that serve Alcohol and they all have drunken people swearing and trashing the place and you ask to report it to the manager but the bouncer of one premises says... "You have to put it in writing via email" and the next premises says "you have to telephone during business hours" and another says "you have to write a letter to an address".


That is their choice. Sometimes with forms, it pre-loads it into a system that formats it for them. Sometimes there are email systems that can extract that information and format it anyway. But if they want you to use a form, they are indicating that's the best way for them to know what is happening.




On 21/02/2021 2:38 pm, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

I get an email spam so I report it... via email.

I *do not * don snorkle gear.  I do not contort my body into odd
shapes.  I do not make my report out-of-band, via smoke signals,
or morse code, or via modulated infrared wavelengths.

Call me old fashioned, but as I have already made plain, I do not think
that I should be required to do any of these things.  It is easier for
me just to block all of Hostdime, which I had plenty of reasons to
do already anyway.


Regards,
rfg


P.S.  Seriously, how much arrogance does it take for them to say to
me that it is OK for me to have taken up *my* time to have read the
crap that was originated by *their* customer, but *they* cannot be
bothered to read *my* mail to them?



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Date:    Sat, 20 Feb 2021 19:47:33 -0500
From:    abuse at hostdime.com<mailto:abuse at hostdime.com> <abuse at hostdime.com<mailto:abuse at hostdime.com>>
To:      rfg at tristatelogic.com<mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com>
Subject: [AUTOREPLY] - Please submit complaint to https://www.hostdime.com/abus
          e-report/

Hello,

Thank you for contacting HostDime.

Please resubmit your original message at the following link for action to be co
nsidered:
- -------------------
HostDime Abuse Report Form
https://www.hostdime.com/abuse-report/
- -------------------
Thank you,
HostDime.com, Inc

NOTE: This is an automated message. Please do not reply to this email. This mai
lbox is not monitored.

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