[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

If Spamhaus lists our prefixes on EDROP it's their decision, we have to 
live with that, but they don't have the right to blacklist clean 
prefixes of hosting providers which host our service, because that is a 
form of punishment.
Spamhaus is no legal entity and does therefore not have the right to do 
that.

I don't say that all SBL entries are invalid, but some of them definitly 
are, because we have checked them.


On 2020-07-08 22:00, Esa Laitinen wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 15:47 , <info at fos-vpn.org> wrote:
> 
>> It is true that VPN services which don't log any user activities
>> attract
>> people with bad intentions and believe me: We are not happy about
>> that
>> either...but we have to live with that
> 
> As per your own admission, you have to live with people abusing your
> service, but it doesn't mean others have the same obligation.
> 
> If you do serve people abusing your service by doing things warranting
> spamhaus listing as per they policy, why should spamhaus stop listing
> those IP addresses? By your own admission, the listing is correct.
> 
> It is up to you to come up with a solution that will stop your users
> abusing internet resources not belonging to you, and other intenet
> users are not obligated to accept such abuse.
> 
> As for extending the listing to cover the whole subnet, it is called
> escalation. Look it up, it is explained in spamhauses web page.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> esa
> 
> ps. to put it simply: you're entitled to send crap to the internet.
> Others are entitled to refuse receiving it.