[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: botnet controllers

If I found that any of your IP addresses is abusing my networks, I've the perfect right to black list your entire network and even more, make my decision public, so others can follow my advice. Specially if you don't take measures to log your network (despite is legally mandatory or not) and ensure that you don't have "bad" customers on it.

This is perfectly legal.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 8/7/20 22:17, "anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de info at fos-vpn.org" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de info at fos-vpn.org> escribió:

    If Spamhaus lists our prefixes on EDROP it's their decision, we have to 
    live with that, but they don't have the right to blacklist clean 
    prefixes of hosting providers which host our service, because that is a 
    form of punishment.
    Spamhaus is no legal entity and does therefore not have the right to do 
    that.

    I don't say that all SBL entries are invalid, but some of them definitly 
    are, because we have checked them.


    On 2020-07-08 22:00, Esa Laitinen wrote:
    > On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 15:47 , <info at fos-vpn.org> wrote:
    > 
    >> It is true that VPN services which don't log any user activities
    >> attract
    >> people with bad intentions and believe me: We are not happy about
    >> that
    >> either...but we have to live with that
    > 
    > As per your own admission, you have to live with people abusing your
    > service, but it doesn't mean others have the same obligation.
    > 
    > If you do serve people abusing your service by doing things warranting
    > spamhaus listing as per they policy, why should spamhaus stop listing
    > those IP addresses? By your own admission, the listing is correct.
    > 
    > It is up to you to come up with a solution that will stop your users
    > abusing internet resources not belonging to you, and other intenet
    > users are not obligated to accept such abuse.
    > 
    > As for extending the listing to cover the whole subnet, it is called
    > escalation. Look it up, it is explained in spamhauses web page.
    > 
    > Yours,
    > 
    > esa
    > 
    > ps. to put it simply: you're entitled to send crap to the internet.
    > Others are entitled to refuse receiving it.




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