[anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Serge,

On Apr 17, 2020, at 2:15 AM, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
> Even the UN (through the UN GGE and the OEWG, create norms for
> responsible behavior in cyber space.
> 
> There is nothing that stops us from doing the same in this corner of
> internet policy.

Perhaps not the best example.  UN "Global Group of Experts” (GGE) tried to come up with “cyber norms", but ultimately failed to get their norms accepted (that is, they were unable to come to consensus on the final report).  As a result, another round of UN GGE (https://www.un.org/disarmament/group-of-governmental-experts/ <https://www.un.org/disarmament/group-of-governmental-experts/>)  kicked off and a parallel effort, the Open Ended Working Group, is also trying to come up with a set of cyber norms, albeit with a larger set of players. 

However, the reason (in my view) the UN cyber norm efforts have failed to date is the same reason we see failures to come up with agreed upon policies here: the norms would impact self-interest in a way that is unacceptable to parties who have the ability to derail progress. 

> Neutrality does not imply the absence of values. If we want the internet
> to be usable and safe for users, we need to come up with what is
> acceptable behavior and what is not.

My impression is that the issue that derails consensus here is whether or not RIPE-NCC is the appropriate enforcer of “acceptable behavior”.

Regards,
-drc

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