[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 and over-reach

Hi,

It's probably best to state examples using "country X" and "region Y" 
instead of using countries' concrete names.

I think i already used concrete country names at least once during this 
thread and i apologize for that.

ps: if we ackowledge there is a gap in legislation and enforcement why 
shouldn't we engineer something to try to minimize/reduce this gap's 
effects?

Best Regards,
Carlos


On Sat, 23 Mar 2019, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

>
> In message <6179dc11-f299-c076-0ae1-2f2d22eb6115 at foobar.org>,
> Nick Hilliard <nick at foobar.org> wrote:
>
>> If there were legislation and enforcement in this area, we wouldn't be
>> having this conversation.
>
> Yes, actually, we would.
>
> Does anybody really believe that if, for example, Moldova outlawed BGP
> hijacking tomorrow *and* if they even started arresting suspects, that
> the entire problem would utterly disappear from the entire RIPE region
> the day after that?  I think not.  France?  The Neatherlands?  Sweden?
> No. No. No.  There isn't a single european country whose laws can
> bring this plague to an end, nor even any subset of european countries.
> The problem no more respects national boundaries than does the influenza
> virus.
>
> Furthermore, I very much look forward to the day when one or more BGP
> hijackers... or *any* kind of cybercriminal for that matter...  will be
> extradited from Russia to stand trial in some less friendly jurisdiction.
> But today is not that day.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
>