[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)

Hi Hank,
 

El 20/3/19 8:53, "anti-abuse-wg en nombre de Hank Nussbacher" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de hank at efes.iucc.ac.il> escribió:

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Gert Doering wrote:
    
    > Hi,
    >
    > On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:06:11AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
    >> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Marco Schmidt wrote:
    >>
    >> More or less I agree with the proposal.  But what happens after a LIR is
    >> found to be violation of the policy?  RIPE NCC puts out a statement "LIR X
    >> is in violation of Policy nnnn"?  So what?  How does this policy assist
    >> stopping the BGP hijack from taking place, even if it takes 1-2 months to
    >> handle the paperwork?
    >
    > Well, that's a subtle twist of the proposal not actually spelled out - a
    > LIR found to be in violation of RIPE policies is breaking their contract
    > with the NCC (the SSA) and as such can be closed and their resources
    > withdrawn.
    >
    > So that's a fairly effective way to sanction abusive behaviour.
    
    The amount of time that will transpire from the time of abuse and a LIR 
    closed and their resources withdrawn can well be in excess of a year if 
    not two years.
    
    Is that the end result we are looking for?

If we believe that this is an excessive period of time, we can always draft another policy that allows reclaiming resources in case of policy violation in a faster way.

In LACNIC there is one for that, I think following that policy will take less than 6 months, and of course than can be improved/tailored to our wishes as a community.

However, I think it is a separated discussion.

Regards,
Jordi
    
    -Hank
    >
    > (I haven't decided whether I think this is going to work or do harm, so
    > I'm not voicing support or opposition on the proposal itself)
    >
    > Gert Doering
    >        -- NetMaster
    >
    
    



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