[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy

and now it's time for everyone here, to stop giving stevieboy his way 
with his absurd definitions of 'abuse'... if there is no law against it 
in the country in which the customer recides. its no reason for 
disconnection. doing so is not delivering a paid service, caving into 
blackmail, and undermining provider immunity by caving in to any random 
idiot that just so happens to have gained influence over mail delivery,  
and frequently abuses said (advertised) influence to commit computer 
sabotage (he knows what the impacts of his listings are, he advertises 
with it), to extort the internet industry into wasting valuable manhours 
on him and his self-declared 'delisting procedure', and breach valuable 
contracts.

if he mentions any ip address (or worse: personal details) in his crappy 
slander and blackmail system he calls 'spamhaus' just call the feds on 
him. the guardia civil for example as he currently is in spain.

viola 13

puerta d' andratx.

under no circumstance should 'spamhaus' be allowed to dictate which 
customers to serve and which not. simple as that.


now act PROFESSIONAL and stop giving this idiot his way just because he 
mentions 'spam'. as if 'spam'

is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet... how about him 
trying to get entire isps disconnected. who gives a shit about him and 
his 'spam'.




On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:09, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> one would almost go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending 
> steve linford viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational 
> costs would go through the roof tho lol.
>
>
> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many times 
>> we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's fully 
>> applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this mailinglist 
>> just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of their cancerous 
>> censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'
>>
>>
>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>>
>>> if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you can 
>>> think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right. lol. 
>>> you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the 
>>> 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far for 
>>> inappropriate language.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> @Sven Olaf:
>>>> Please stop using this type of offensive language!
>>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and 
>>>> attack in the way you are at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> So step back for a minute, take a deep breath and calm down!
>>>>
>>>> And if you feel you can send a message without using this type of 
>>>> language, feel free to do so, otherwise stay away!
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions, feel free to reach out to me directly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Tobias
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ​RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group Co-Chair
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ​
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von 
>>>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if transit
>>>>     carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that can be
>>>>     used as a blackmailing vector. don't quite see why everyone
>>>>     combines the 'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
>>>>     their operations. parties that provide transit, have no need
>>>>     for ip space (bgp sessions are better on 10.0.0.0/8
>>>>     <http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from 'outside'). if
>>>>     there are no ip's there is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far
>>>>     they are the only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure'
>>>>     to breach contracts. so just split up those operations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they
>>>>>     arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i
>>>>>     can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is.
>>>>>     nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way
>>>>>>     is used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in
>>>>>>     fact it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old
>>>>>>     services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should
>>>>>>     get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay.
>>>>>>     it's windows itself that is the malware there...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure
>>>>>>     sucks balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3
>>>>>>     top secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in
>>>>>>     every restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own
>>>>>>     crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't
>>>>>>     have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'..
>>>>>>     - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else
>>>>>>     is doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of
>>>>>>     the other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing
>>>>>>     the sales department of the transit carriers of their
>>>>>>     supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only make
>>>>>>     them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup
>>>>>>     fees), etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     so far all spamhaus has ever established is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
>>>>>>     ranges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip
>>>>>>     addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in
>>>>>>     the world, no wonder!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp.
>>>>>>     congratulations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and
>>>>>>     do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
>>>>>>     microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no
>>>>>>     users left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists
>>>>>>     (lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks...
>>>>>>     because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port
>>>>>>     25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit-
>>>>>>     (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our
>>>>>>     problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause
>>>>>>     'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable
>>>>>>     markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv
>>>>>>     station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros
>>>>>>     per month per server would come from, i don't know, i
>>>>>>     certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k
>>>>>>     once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like
>>>>>>     child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
>>>>>>     issue at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling
>>>>>>     over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn
>>>>>>     copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture
>>>>>>     there. shit that -is- worth the trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your
>>>>>>     crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even
>>>>>>     -originate- from our networks in the first fucking place, and
>>>>>>     stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware...
>>>>>>     windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the
>>>>>>     programs residing on top of the same old 1990s badly
>>>>>>     implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft
>>>>>>     and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the
>>>>>>     european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft.
>>>>>>     simple enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
>>>>>>     wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of
>>>>>>>     any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals,
>>>>>>>     cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption
>>>>>>>     technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc
>>>>>>>     is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is
>>>>>>>     none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
>>>>>>>     spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'.
>>>>>>>     even if they think they should be.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering
>>>>>>>     'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of
>>>>>>>     their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others
>>>>>>>     choose not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers
>>>>>>>     that way. they have a customs department to keep said
>>>>>>>     products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell
>>>>>>>     or advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like
>>>>>>>     'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they
>>>>>>>     would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
>>>>>>>     geo-political wise and business wise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect
>>>>>>>     all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
>>>>>>>     thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the
>>>>>>>     entire internet through means of blackmail and calling
>>>>>>>     people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     what also works, besides blackmailing with committing
>>>>>>>     computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers
>>>>>>>     of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website,
>>>>>>>     are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange.
>>>>>>>     etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if
>>>>>>>     you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all
>>>>>>>     bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't
>>>>>>>     block anything' as they themselves always say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>>>>>     CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent
>>>>>>>>         servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we
>>>>>>>>         happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus
>>>>>>>>         somehow magically never lists -that-.. just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the
>>>>>>>>     listing works!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     esa
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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