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<p>btw. this is europe. not america. we can say fuck however many
times we want over here. tyvm. and in the case of spamhaus, it's
fully applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer. that was using this
mailinglist just a few hours ago to try to further the reach of
their cancerous censorship tool disguised as a 'spam fighter'<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 01:03, HRH Prince
Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>if the fully appropriate language used is the only thing you
can think of as an argument, that shows it's completely right.
lol. you're free to google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford
told the 'world press' about our operations in the past. so far
for inappropriate language.</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:58, Tobias
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">@Sven Olaf:</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">Please stop using
this type of offensive language!</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">This is a public
mailinglist and not a place for you to rant and attack in
the way you are at the moment.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">So step back for a
minute, take a deep breath and calm down! </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And if you feel you
can send a message without using this type of language, feel
free to do so, otherwise stay away!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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questions, feel free to reach out to me directly. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46 PM,
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl"
target="_blank">svenk@xs4all.nl</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p>btw it would be of great assistance in this matter
if transit carriers, simply, only HAD asn's and no
ip prefixes that can be used as a blackmailing
vector. don't quite see why everyone combines the
'isp' part with the 'transit providing' part of
their operations. parties that provide transit, have
no need for ip space (bgp sessions are better on <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://10.0.0.0/8"
target="_blank">10.0.0.0/8</a> anyway, prevents
attack from 'outside'). if there are no ip's there
is nothing idiots like spamhaus (so far they are the
only ones) can 'blacklist' to 'build up pressure' to
breach contracts. so just split up those operations.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
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<p>customer wants to send packets from ip A to
ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did our
job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't
quite see why we would even need to know what
'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure shit
protocols out there.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
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<p>content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.</p>
<p>'making more use of a mail protocol that in
every other way is used as intended' is also
not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not
abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.</p>
<p>'malware and virusses' all simply exploit
the same old services 'provided' by crappy
windows malware, which should get some
import restrictions, and the problem is
solved ay. it's windows itself that is the
malware there... <br>
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<p>'phishing'... so you're saying your bank
login procedure sucks balls and/or you think
16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret
ones on the back of a plastic card people
show in every restaurant they go to are
'security' - go fix your own crap and stop
bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't
have time to hunt ghosts for your broken
financial services.<br>
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<p>'announcing the whole god damn internet
split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's
'abuse'. lol.</p>
<p>and either way... if someone doesn't like
what someone else is doing they can take
them to the -appropriate- courts (of the
other party) and try to get them to stop...
blackmailing the sales department of the
transit carriers of their supplier of their
supplier of their supplier, will only make
them change isps, cause financial loss (or
gains: setup fees), etc.</p>
<p>so far all spamhaus has ever established
is:</p>
<p>- a whole lot of
unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned'
ranges.</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their
bashing on open relays)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)</p>
<p>- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20
million ip addresses listed despite there
only being 300k mailservers in the world, no
wonder!)</p>
<p>so instead of stopping spam, they managed
to kill of smtp. congratulations.</p>
<p>everyone now uses skype and facebook (which
are real-time and do have friends-lists)
lolol. you have succeeded in bringing
microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well
done.<br>
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<p>if smtp is 'getting less' that is only
because it has no users left. people only
start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol)
or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.</p>
<p>none of our customers has ever sent UCE
from our networks... because... ever since
2004... we have simply blocked port 25...
smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers
shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about
shit that is not our problem). we sure as
hell have some customers that cause 'shit'
but they usually do it in somewhat more
profitable markets than sending 'spam' and
most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to
do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus.
lol.</p>
<p>where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay
our 1000-1500 euros per month per server
would come from, i don't know, i certainly
have never met any... i tried to invoice one
60k once and he backed off already. poor
spammers. they're like child porn people.
can't pay for anything, so not an urgent
issue at all.</p>
<p>our customers frequently have the entire
fucking cia rolling over their doorstep and
if it's not them its the god damn copyright
mafia. slightly different budgetarial
picture there. shit that -is- worth the
trouble.<br>
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<p>now, please take your shitty nagging about
'abuse' of your crappy silly old smtp
protocol, which doesn't even -originate-
from our networks in the first fucking
place, and stick it where the sun doesn't
shine... as for malware... windows is the
malware there... it facilitates all the
programs residing on top of the same old
1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so
basically call mickeysoft and ask them to
fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the
european commission and impose trade bans
against microsoft. simple enough.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von CyberBunker wrote:<br>
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<p>advertising the sale of : viagra, sex
slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human
trafficing services, specific animals,
cocain, data obtained through espionage,
encryption technology, vpns, gay
propaganda, military propaganda, etc is
subject to applicable local law (if any,
and if there is none, it's perfectly
fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as
spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the
internet government'. even if they think
they should be.</p>
<p>if the uk wants to keep certain products
from entering 'their' territory (and in
doing so limit the freedom of their own
stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to
them others choose not to work against
their own stakeholders/tax payers that
way. they have a customs department to
keep said products outside. can't tell
others not to produce or sell or advertise
it. setting up dirty front operations like
'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the
illusion that they would be 'fighting
spam' is a very nasty thing to do.
geo-political wise and business wise.<br>
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<p>now... in thailand porn is illegal...
so... let's disconnect all porn sites
because thailand wants us to, oh but wait,
thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus'
thinking they rule the entire internet
through means of blackmail and calling
people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.</p>
<p>what also works, besides blackmailing
with committing computer sabotage against
the sales department of suppliers of
suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of
a website, are: assassins, commandos,
carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all
of which should be deployed against
spamhaus if you ask me. :P but a nullroute
would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an
'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we
don't block anything' as they themselves
always say.<br>
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30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at
12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker <<a
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<p
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it's quite vague that when some
mossadis rent servers and run an
espionage botnet on it (which we
happily intercept ourselves
ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow
magically never lists -that-..
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<div>Looking at the amusing rant of
Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing
works!</div>
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<div>Keep up the good work, spamhaus
et al!</div>
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