[anti-abuse-wg] DNS Abuse, Abuse of Privacy & Legitimizing Criminal Activity

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 23:05:07 -0800
David Conrad <drc at virtualized.org> wrote:
> Andre,
> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:43 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
> >>> When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop
> >>> standards for Internet software that completely ignores ethics,
> >>> morality, honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department?
> >> 
> >> You've developed quite the messianic complex here.
> >> 
> > You do not say why this is not true. or not factual. or not correct.
> 
> Because empirically, Internet Engineers (whoever they may be) and
> organizations document protocols and bit patterns expressed across
> wires. These protocols are tools that are neutral in terms of ethics,
> morality, and honesty. How those tools are used and by whom is what
> results in whether that are ethical, moral, or honest. You are
> blaming the tool for the (presumed) failings of it users.
> However, in this context, you presume to know The Truth. Such
> certainty must be quite reassuring.
> 

Your comments in your entire reply, is the same. Let me place your own
argument, in context, for yourself:

Your argument is that someone making a nuclear weapon is not responsible for the use of a
nuclear weapon.

Yes, I do know my truth. I know my own ethics. I know my own morality. I know myself.

I know right from wrong, if you want to make this about my own ethics.

I would venture that I am not alone in my understanding of what is good
and what is evil.

Let me try to help you with that, as you seem to have a real problem:

It is always wrong to lie.

it is wrong to hide the truth of your lies (deception/falsehood)

It is EVIL to declare that as "normal" behavior

It is EVIL to support lies, falsehoods and suppression of knowledge.


hth

Andre


> >> Yow. RPZ is a tool. You don't like that tool? Don't use it. You
> >> care about the "truth"? Do your own DNSSEC validation.
> > Sure, there are many tools, hacker tools, 0day scripts (for kidd1eS)
> 
> If you cannot tell the difference between a tool I choose to deploy
> to protect myself and the users I am responsible for (who can also
> opt out if they so choose) and a tool that allows me to attack
> external users, I doubt continued discussion is worthwhile.
> 
> > Why do you not discuss the real issues?
> 
> As far as I can tell, you have not identified any real issue, either
> here or on DNSOP. You have, like religious preachers, declared your
> view on ethics, morality, honesty, and truth, as axiomatic but not
> discussed real issues that affect the development of tools to help
> reduce abuse (relevant to this list) or the implementation of the
> protocol (relevant to DNSOP). When you do so, perhaps then there
> might be a discussion.
> 
> > The truth is: I do not have a messianic complex
> 
> It appears the truth is you believe you know The Truth.
> 
> > The truth is, very obviously, you do not care about the truth :)
> 
> If you say so, it must be true.
> 
> Regards,
> -drc
> (speaking only for myself)
> 
>