[anti-abuse-wg] DNS Abuse, Abuse of Privacy & Legitimizing Criminal Activity

Andre,

On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:43 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:57 PM, ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote:
>>> When respected Internet Engineers and organizations develop
>>> standards for Internet software that completely ignores ethics,
>>> morality, honesty and is pale and anemic in the truth department?
>> 
>> You've developed quite the messianic complex here.
>> 
> You do not say why this is not true. or not factual. or not correct.

Because empirically, Internet Engineers (whoever they may be) and organizations document protocols and bit patterns expressed across wires. These protocols are tools that are neutral in terms of ethics, morality, and honesty. How those tools are used and by whom is what results in whether that are ethical, moral, or honest. You are blaming the tool for the (presumed) failings of it users.

However, in this context, you presume to know The Truth. Such certainty must be quite reassuring.

>> Yow. RPZ is a tool. You don't like that tool? Don't use it. You care
>> about the "truth"? Do your own DNSSEC validation.
> Sure, there are many tools, hacker tools, 0day scripts (for kidd1eS)

If you cannot tell the difference between a tool I choose to deploy to protect myself and the users I am responsible for (who can also opt out if they so choose) and a tool that allows me to attack external users, I doubt continued discussion is worthwhile.

> Why do you not discuss the real issues?

As far as I can tell, you have not identified any real issue, either here or on DNSOP. You have, like religious preachers, declared your view on ethics, morality, honesty, and truth, as axiomatic but not discussed real issues that affect the development of tools to help reduce abuse (relevant to this list) or the implementation of the protocol (relevant to DNSOP). When you do so, perhaps then there might be a discussion.

> The truth is: I do not have a messianic complex

It appears the truth is you believe you know The Truth.

> The truth is, very obviously, you do not care about the truth :)

If you say so, it must be true.

Regards,
-drc
(speaking only for myself)


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