[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse - preamble

On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:20:03 +0200
Gunther Nitzsche <gnitzsche at netcologne.de> wrote:
> On 08/25/2016 03:36 PM, ox wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 15:28:58 +0200
> > Gunther Nitzsche <gnitzsche at netcologne.de> wrote:
> >> On 08/25/2016 02:38 PM, ox wrote:
> >>> Get it yet?
> >> No. Sorry. :-(
> > okay, I will try to explain it better :)
> > Normal bitcoin mining abuse = You --> CPU
> > Anyway, Internet abuse same principle One resource --> another
> > resource
> > Get it now?
> I know what you mean, but I don't follow you here. I do not
> want this restriction and cannot see one reason why you
> insist on this.

Because we use words to communicate.

If you think a donkey is a cat and I think a donkey is a cow then we
will both be talking about a donkey and both be very happy that the
hair on the donkey has stopped falling out

But when we start talking about eating the donkey, we may have
different reactions...

So, when you are talking about abuse - it is abuse and we both, me and
you, need to understand what the word means and we also have to
understand what it pertains to and how it is used.

> >> "If you use my server to do something. " Stop.
> >> I do not need "another resource". I wonder what arguments
> >> you have against my suggestion of wording.
> >>
I did not reply to this, as it will involve me being somewhat direct but,

I have a serious problem with people when they disagree just to argue
or for no real reason.

This means that they have a different intent - or agenda - or something
and it serves only to disrupt 
 
> >> I even doubt that the anti-abuse-working-group is limited to
> >> network based abuse. Entering wrong registration data (let's say by
> >> FAX) could also be covered by this group though it is not a network
> >> based abuse.
> >>
This is not an abuse group for battered men or battered women or abused
animals.

It is a network abuse group.

No, it is not an abuse group for people whose pc's has been stolen or
abused in their homes.

No, it is not an abuse group for old fax machines or faxing of fake
documents to anyone or even for that matter faxing of documents to
commit fraud.

It is the RIPE Anti Abuse WG --- We discuss network abuse....