[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

Are you *really* discussing what is abuse instead of dealing with it?

Yes, that is really gonna turn into a stand-up comics...


On 08/16/16 16:08, ox wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:38:49 +0200
> David Hilario <fransossen at hotmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> And when it comes to the definition discussed in this thread:
>>>      "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
>>> usage rights of another resource"
>> The RIPE NCC has also been quite active in that aspect too:
>> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-662#----1-1-registry-maintenance-----strategic-focus-point-2016
>>
> Thank you for highlighting that "abuse" is decreasing. But,
> unfortunately, I do not know what abuse is, yet.
>
> I want to distinguish between crime and abuse. this will make it easier
> in the future for Law enforcement, Prosecutors, Courts and society to
> understand that : Joe hijacked an IP range and this could be a crime,
> not just "abuse"
>
> For one, I do not agree that unauthorized access is abuse (yet) I think
> it may be a crime in many countries, it may not be allowed in terms of
> each of our 'terms & conditions' of our own offerings or products and it
> is not tolerated, loved or even appreciated in any sane society, but is
> is not abuse.
>
> Abuse itself, as a word in the English language is to "use something to
> bad effect or;
> to use something for bad purpose or;
>   the improper use of something or;
> treating something poorly or badly,
>
> not breaking into something
> or stealing and/or hijacking something
>
> When you steal/hijack something and then use that for abuse, that
> becomes abuse.
>
> If you just steal something, it is a crime called theft, which I am
> sure is illegal almost everywhere (afaik)
>
> Maybe you can help, David?
>
> When RIPE investigates "abuse" what are they investigating? Crimes?
> Criminal activity? Fraud? or actual abuse?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>> "1.1.6 Internet Number Resource Investigations, and Dispute and
>> Hijacking Handling
>>
>> Status: Decreasing
>>
>> Measurable usage: The RIPE NCC has investigated  252 potential
>> hijacks since 2012. From 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015 the RIPE NCC
>> handled 85 investigations. The RIPE NCC received and investigated 572
>> abuse reports from 1 July 2014 2014 to 30 June 2015."
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>> --srs
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/08/16, 8:56 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox"
>>> <anti-abuse-wg-bounces _at_ ripe _dot_ net on behalf of andre _at_
>>> ox.co _dot_ za> wrote:
>>>
>>>      Unauthorized access is NOT ABUSE, in terms of the current
>>> definition:
>>>      "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the
>>> usage rights of another resource"
>>>      
>>>      And, this is the crux of it all, this defining of "abuse" is
>>> exactly why we require a definition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>

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