[anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse

On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 13:30:41 -0700
"Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
 > In message <4df1712f-8f90-ef7c-b02e-7adfe6ecab25 at dcrocker.net>, 
> Dave Crocker <dhc at dcrocker.net> wrote:
> >An exercise that might help, but which is certain to have a poor 
> >signal-to-noice, is to ask everyone to post examples of what they
> >think is abuse, or rather to post every example they think /might/
> >be abuse.
> 
> See WHOIS record below.
> My contentions, briefly, are threefold:
>   (1)  That the WHOIS record shown below contains nothing other that
>          which was, with
<snip>

Okay, so, regarding the subject of Definition of abuse, what we have up
to now: 
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"The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the usage rights
of another resource"

Current discussions about what needs to be added still? (add if I am
missing anyone or anything please) 

(1)
Gert Doering suggested that "there are legal reason why someone could
infringe on someon else's use rights"
 - added the 'non sanctioned' - seems fine now, Gert?

(2)
unauthorized access / hacking / and/or breaking in 
( Dave Crocker -  abuse concerns unauthorized access  )
(Andre - breaking in is crime, abuse is use something for bad purpose )

(3) causing damage to others
( Dave Crocker -  "and to actions that inflict damage on others" )
(  Michele Neylon - I like the idea of “damage” or “harm” on others
The “infringe on usage .. “ thing didn’t seem very clear to me and I
don’t see how that would apply to spam etc)
(Andre - damage is a result of an action or result of abuse? crime?)

(4) Fake WHOIS records
(Ronald F. Guilmette some whois records are cleverly constructed bovine
excrement )
(Andre - fake/wrong whois records - are not abuse )

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Are fake whois records abuse? I think this is an excellent question and
requires discussion.

Personally I think filing fake information to a resource is actually a
crime called fraud. I am sure that this is also a crime under Dutch law
and that the Dutch Law enforcement should investigate this?

But, imho, fake whois records and/or incorrect whois records, is not
abuse. 


Andre