[anti-abuse-wg] Bye Bye (was: Re: The Rules)

In message <20130627200918.GO2706 at Space.Net>, 
Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:

>On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 12:58:32PM -0700, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
>> In message <20130627111402.GZ2706 at Space.Net>,=20
>> Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote:
>> >If you *are* a LIR, and as that LIR have received a /21, the NCC will try
>> >to ensure that whatever you registered is OK
>>
>> Please definie the meaning of "OK" in this context.
>
>Technically OK, as in "no overlaps in the network objects", policy-wise
>OK, as in "no assignments bigger than permitted by your assignment window",
>and sometimes they ask for the justification documents for a given
>assignment, aka "the form that needs to be filled in".

Sometimes??  Why not all the time?

>> So, if I am understanding you correctly, if, say, a given LIR obtained,
>> say, a /17 two years ago, and then just sat on it, and never put a
>> single thing in it in all that time, there is nothing that can or will
>> be done about that colossal waste of (supposedly) precious IPv4 space.
>> Is that correct?  Have I understood you correctly?
>
>Yes.

Am I really the only person on the planet who thinks this is absurd?

>(Though I disagree with you on the preciousness of IPv4 space.

Fine.  I am an authorized Wikipedia Editor.  Please provide me with some
new correct verbage to replace the following utterly innacurate section
of the relevant Wikipedia page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv4_address_exhaustion

	"On 31 January 2011, IANA announced it had exhausted its free pool
	of IPv4 addresses (from which IP blocks were allocated to regional
	RIRs), the exhaustion of the RIRs APNIC on 15 April 2011 and
	RIPE NCC on 14 September 2012..."
        ^^^^^^^^

I suppose that the word "exhaustion" has a different meaning depending
upon one's own individual situation.  Certainly, if you are one of the
luck few who had the foresight to start hording and to squirrel away
a whole lot of IPv4 space some time ago, then right now I am sure that
you are sitting pretty, and saying to yourself "Shortage?  What shortage?"

Other people (and companis) may perhaps not have had the same level of
foresight.

>Reclaiming
>even a full /8 would have pushed out the IPv4 run-out in the RIPE region
>by a few months, but not changed the fundamental issue of "there is no
>way to make IPv4 last")

Yes, you're right and that is a very good point.

So since that is all true, let's do this... Let's resolve to give away any
and all remaining IPv4 space to crooks, thieves, and homeless people until
it really and truly is all gone.  That will force everyone to buy all new
IPv6 equipment, which will be good for the economy in Europe, and maybe even
bring it out of its current slump.

Hey!  I own Cisco stock!  This idea works for me!  Is everyone else on
board?   (Apparently, I don't even need to ask.)
>
>> And likewise, if said hypothetical LIR obtained the same hypothetical /17
>> two years ago, and since that time has allocated it to a "customer" who
>> then proceeded to fill it only with a single physical machine and on
>> the order of 32,000 utterly phony baloney domain names, either for the
>> purpose of snowshoe spamming or for the purpose of so-called "blackhat
>> SEO", then there is nothing that anybody within RIPE, or within RIPE NCC,
>> or anywhere in all the world either may or will do about that.  Is that
>> a correct interpretation of what you have said?
>
>Yes.

So basically, the idea that I had of having these kinds of cooks "audited"
is utterly futile and pointless, yes?

OK.  That's it.  I'm outta here.  I had hoped that something positive could
be accomplished within this group but now I know that I was just deluding
myself.

Thanks everybody.  Take care.  I wish you all a nice life.


Regards,
rfg