[anti-abuse-wg] Use of RIPE region space by out-of-region users, was RIPE policy

Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

First time its getting funny one this list ;o)

 > Thirdly, I just want to say that you guys are both a riot.  Really,
 > It's rather hilarious how quick some folks are to defend against any
 > perceived attack on their own selfish interests (and pocketbooks)
 > even when the only threat is in their own minds.

Thnx for that.
Its aweful true, that this abuse group does not make it any further,
because a lot of the people on this list fill their pockets with
"services" that really bother others.
Very sad, but true and as we can see here, theres nothing we can do
about this, until the community really introduces a few new concepts.

I just want to remember:
- we have no definition of abuse since this list is running
- the last and very good drafts, all helping to detect spam better,
   did not make it to reach consent

Why ?
Because its a comunity and even the arguments of people with
"filthy" practices count. That might be democratic, but does
not bring us any further.

Maybe RIPE should introduce real votes, where 50% are enough to accept 
drafts.

> Secondly, regarding the local blacklisting of blacknight.ie, I can assure
> you that it's nothing personal.  That happens to all domains that spam me.
> If you want to see the spam that triggered that, ask and I'll be happy to
> dig it out for you.  (There's a handy contact form on my web site for use
> by folks in domains that are in the local blacklist.)

Just want to add my opinion here:
its quite stupid to maintain sender domains in blacklists, because
sender domains are usually faked anyway.

I just hope for yourself, that you will never receive a spam having
your own domain as sender domain, making it quite hard for your
coworkers to write you some mail ;o)

> obviously a racist because I demand that children in the U.S. learn English.

And I recommend that we change the language on this list to German, 
French or any other European language ASAP !
There are less native english speaking people in Europe than a lot of
other languages, probably russian is the most spoken language in the
RIPE region ...

> I did (and do) however wonder out loud about RIPE policies when I see
> what appears to be large scale waste and fraud relating to precious and
> increasingly scarce number resources, and I did (and do) wonder about
> cases where some ``provider'' in the RIPE region somehow manages to get
> hold of a nice sized chunk of IPv4 space which is then, apparently, sold

Here I want to add some points:
- there are probably more stable tools out there to handle spam from
   IPv4 adresses than for IPv6
- we receive a much higher percentage of spam via IPv6 blocks than
   for IPv4, probably because we can filter them much better.
   thnx to all those different blacklists (that are still based on IPv4)
- we decided to block mail traffic from IPv6 completely and will not
   change that for a long time, because many professional spam farms
   already work on IPv6

> off to an American mass e-mailing company with _no_ apparent connectivity
> being associated with that deal... a practice that even the ICANN Political

Maybe they order housing services with them ?
We also have customers not located in Germany, that have servers in our
colocations.

> OK, that's really all I had to say.  You may now proceed to misinterpret
> and misconstrue _this_ message, as you did that last one, in a way that
> best fits with your own preconceived and misplaced fears and concerns.

All the best, Frank

> Regards,
> rfg

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